June 2, 2026
Cryptocurrency ATM Scam Refund
Arizona's new Cryptocurrency Kiosk Law went into effect September 2025. Gale joins us to discuss her scam experience and getting her money refunded through this new law. Let’s Talk About Scams is broadcast live Tuesdays at 8AM PT on K4HD Radio -...
Arizona's new Cryptocurrency Kiosk Law went into effect September 2025.
Gale joins us to discuss her scam experience and getting her money refunded through this new law.
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make a determination if it is a scam or if
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it's legitimate. So today we have our guest with us,
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Gail Barr, who is going to talk about her scam
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experience and also the cryptocurrency ATM refund that she receives.
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So let's welcome Gail. Hello everyone, Hi Gail, how are you?
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I'm good? How are you? Joyce? Good? Good?
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Thank you so much for being willing to share your
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story this morning. I know it can be hard sometimes
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to talk about uh, you know, falling, falling victim to
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a scam, but if you wouldn't mind sharing your story,
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and we can get started.
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Okay, Joyce, Yes, I I.
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Was for sure. Let me just let me just say
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I with it work.
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It was my sevent seventieth birthday, October fifteenth, and I.
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You know, finished my job. I was.
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I'm a nurse practitioner, and I finished my shift and
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was checking my birthday messages in the office and saw
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a that I had a call, and I listened to
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my voice smail was a call from let's see, it
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was from Chief Deputy Derek Elmore. It was a message
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on my on my phone saying he's from the Maricopa
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County Sheriff's Department and there was an important legal matter
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concerning legal documents I needed to address concerning the honorable
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Judge Jennifer Zips, so please call back, and he gave
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me the number and the extension. I immediately looked up
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Derek Elmore. He was indeed a Phoenix police officer, and
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Jennifer's Zips was an a tuc Son judge, so you know.
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And I called the provided number and then they stated
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it was the Maricopa County Sheriff's Department. I was connected
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to Police Captain John Bailey. They gave me his badge number,
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and he said I was hand selected by the Honorable
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Judge Jennifer Zips to be on a grand jury and
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a medical mail practice case scheduled for October fourteenth, a
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day before my birthday, and I didn't show up and
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she didn't take kindly to that. And I also said
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I signed a subpoena which I didn't sign, but I thought, well,
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my son was living with us at the time.
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I thought, well, gee, maybe he signed something.
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yeah wow.
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So you know, it's interesting.
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I have talked to some people, you know, probably two
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three years ago, and they would say, well, scammers don't
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leave voicemails, and I'm like, no, they they're leaving voicemails.
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they've got, you know that's leaving a voicemail. But they're
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doing it because I think they're realizing that a lot
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of people aren't answering the phone if they don't know
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who's calling. I get a lot of that too, right,
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and you know, making it sound so official, right, using
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sheriff's the sheriff deputy's name and then using an actual
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judge's name. You know, they they they have ways of
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finding all of this information out. A lot of times
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they you know, can look it up on the on
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the website, and you know, higher up people are usually
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listed on there. But it's I think they have other
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ways to find this information. So that that must have
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been pretty scary, you know, talking to them thinking that
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you miss jury duty And did they immediately.
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Go to like threatening you that you're going to get arrested?
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They they just said that there were two subpoenas out
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for my arrest and that I had to go to
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the bank and get get a certain amount of money
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out to pay for to pay a post bond amount
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and sixty dollars right away today via and I was
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going to give the money through a federal bonding kiosk.
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Oh they called it a federal bonding kiosk what they
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called it?
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Yeah, wow, okay, all right, that makes it all the
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more believable, right, ye good. Especially during COVID right there
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a lot of like the Maricopa County Recorder's Office had
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these kiosks out there if people wanted to transfer their title.
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go down to the recorder's office. So I think because
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we you know, I mean COVID's it's been a few years,
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but I think saying that it was a federally bonded kiosk,
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it yeah, right, uh huh, yeah, absolutely so did they
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did they want to stay on the phone with you
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the whole time?
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They wouldn't let me off the phone. They said, you
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have to stay on the phone. You have to talk
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every five minutes. They wouldn't they, you know, they would
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not let me get off the phone.
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Did they give you a reason why you had to
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talk like every five minutes?
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They said, because I could skip town.
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They had to know where I was, and that there
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was a gag order so I couldn't talk to anyone
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about the case. It was called a maintained contact order,
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they called it, a maintain contact order. I have to
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stay on the phone with them the entire time and
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talk every five minutes.
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Wow, that's that's that's very detailed. That's very elaborate, you
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know what I mean. It's it's yeah.
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sound so official and so believable.
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Is just they they really do their homework.
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So they you went to the bank, you got the
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money out, and they gave you directions on where to go.
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Yes, and they did.
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It happened to be a circle K, which I thought
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was strange that there that there was, you know, for
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to deposit money and they would have that type of
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federal bonding kiosk in a circle k. Turned out it
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worth a Bitcoin machine at circle k.
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Okay, at the moment, did you did you ask them,
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you know, why they would have a federally bonded kiosk
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at a circle k? Or is that something you thought
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about after the fact.
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It's something I thought about after the fact that I
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knew something was wrong. I knew something was wrong I have.
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I had COVID in twenty twenty one and I was
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pretty sick with it actually, and then I had a
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post COVID pneumonia. After that, I had some memory issues
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that I was diagnosed with a mild cognitive impairment okay,
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amnastic type and they did get better over time, and
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so I thought, but I don't know if that had
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played a part in and my wanting to just take
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care of this problem. You know, here somebody is calling me,
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let me take care of this. Then I'll go home,
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you know, after work. You know, but that possibly could
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play into older people being more vulnerable.
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he ended up she had dementia for a number of
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years and then she went into Alzheimer's and and all
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of that was I think as family members, we we
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something else because we don't want to think that that there,
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you know, is a cognitive impairment or going on.
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finally start taking note of it and start doing something,
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but it's already become moderate to severe.
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Going through it with my mom, right, you just keep thinking, oh, well,
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they're tired, or you know, they're just not thinking clearly
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or whatever.
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burner was on. There was no pan or anything on
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the stove, right, And it was like, okay, something's not.
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Right here, right.
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so I felt I could do a job that wasn't
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too demanding, which I did opine with. But you know,
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it does affect your confidence and and you're the fact
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there's you notice different little things that happened, but your memory, yeah, yeah,
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to use a lot of notes, you.
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Know, right, right.
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So one of the things that you mentioned was they
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said it was a maintained something.
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Order, a maintain contact order contact order. Did you ever
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find out when you after you reported it, if that
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actually is a legitimate thing, a maintained contact order. I
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did not. Oh, I'm just curious if they actually are
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using the same type of things that you know, legitimate
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police officers would use, or lawyers would use and stuff
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like that, or judgments would use. But so so you
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had to stay on the phone, you had to talk.
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They took you to a circle k.
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To go in there and to put the money in,
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and it was nine thousand, two hundred and sixty dollars.
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Is that what you said?
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Okay? It took an hour to put the money in.
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An hour. I was standing there an hour.
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And did anybody from the store, like a clerk or
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anybody a customer, Did anybody come up to you and
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talk to you about, hey, maybe you might be getting
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scammed at all?
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After the scam, I went to the store and I
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let them know what happened, and suggested that that they
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keep an eye on on people, you know, especially other
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people on that machine, you know, and and that kind
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of thing. But yeah, no, nobody meya.
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