Aug. 25, 2026
"You didn’t win the Publishers Clearing House sweepstakes"
Fraudsters are calling people and telling them they won the Publishers Clearing House sweepstakes. After getting a potential victim excited about winning millions of dollars, the scammer claims the prize cannot be released until the “winner” pays taxes or processing fees. This scam works because criminals exploit the well-recognized name and pretend to be from the real PCH.
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legal advice. The podcast information was carefully compiled from vetted
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sources and references. However, Rose Resources outreach to safeguard the
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elderly cannot guarantee that you will not fall victim to
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a scam. Let's talk about scams. It's the must-listen show
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for anyone who wants to protect themselves and their loved
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ones from scams. Every Tuesday at 8 a.m. Pacific Time
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on K4HD Radio, Joyce Petrowski, founder of Rose, and her
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guests will provide valuable insights and practical tips on how
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to recognize and protect yourself from scams. And now, here
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is your host, Joyce Petrowski.
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Good morning, everybody. My name is Brian Watson, Community Outreach
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Specialist for ROSE, Resources Outreach to Safeguard the Elderly. And
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I am filling in for Joyce for the next three weeks.
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So I appreciate the opportunity, Joyce. Thank you, everybody, for
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tuning in. And we are going to send you home
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with some good information, I promise. So today's topic, the
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title of today's show is You Didn't Win the Publisher's
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Clearinghouse Sweepstakes. And yes, it's a scam that's been around
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a long time. And like any bad scam, it keeps
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coming back over and over. So I'm going to tell
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you some stories today about the scam and share these
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stories with people you know. We need to talk about
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scams on a daily basis or at least a weekly basis.
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So it's just always in the back of our mind,
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could this be a scam? So about two years ago,
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I did a fraud prevention presentation in my town where
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I live. And a gentleman came up to me after
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the event and he said, would you review some documents
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for me? I think I've won a prize, but I'm
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not sure. I've given them a bunch of money. And
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he said it was the publisher's clearinghouse. So I stepped
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in the back of the room, looked at his documents
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and one of the documents was a photo of a
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$ 10 million check. And then there were some other documents and,
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and I knew right away, this was a scam. Um, and, uh,
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he had told me at that point, well, I've already
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paid over a quarter million dollars in fees and taxes
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and processing expenses and to claim the price. And I
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looked at him and I said, I said, sir, don't
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send another dime. I'm like, this is a complete scam.
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And I still remember the look in this gentleman's eyes.
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It was just utter devastation. He was the victim of
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what's called the publisher's clearinghouse sweepstakes scam. For the remainder
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of today's show, I'm just going to refer to it
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as the PCH scam. So let's talk about how the
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PCH scam works. The criminals, the fraudsters, can reach out
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in a variety of ways. It can be the, be
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a phone call, email, text message, social media, and sometimes
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even letters.
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Yeah.
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Criminals still send letters sometimes. And if they do call you,
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they can spoof the phone number on your phone. So
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when you, when you, when you hold up your cell
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phone and you look on there, it'll say publishers clearing
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house and you think, wow, why are they calling me? So,
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They tell the potential victim when you pick up the
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phone that you won a huge prize. And we're talking hundreds. Well, really,
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we're talking millions of dollars. And they prey on your
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emotions by getting you excited because you're going to win
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this huge, large amount of money. So once they get
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you all excited, you know, the fine print, they say
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you cannot claim this prize. The prize cannot be released
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until the winner pays the required taxes. processing fees, custom duties,
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and things like that. And at that point, they'll instruct
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the victim to pay via, it could be prepaid cards,
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wire transfers, cryptocurrency, even cashier's checks. They can do a
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variety of different ways. Just remember this, the real PCH,
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publishers clearinghouse, will never ask you to pay money to
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claim a prize. So it got me thinking, this PCH
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scam perfectly follows our anatomy of a scam. Um, and
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it's something we share at Rose. It's an infographic and
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there's three parts. The first part is the scammers have
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to contact you. And on our anatomy of a scam,
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that section is blue because they contact you out of
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the blue. And then the next thing is, ah, thanks Juan.
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I appreciate that. And, uh, they give you a, and
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the next thing is you get a compelling reason to act. Um,
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They will get you into a heightened emotional state because
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we don't think clear when we're in that state. Most scams,
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it's fear or panic. This time, it's excitement. On our infographic,
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we have greed. I don't know if it's necessarily greed.
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I think it's more just the desire to win and
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being able to have this money. And then obviously, the
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final stage is requesting payment. And that's why we have
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that in green. Like I said, they're going to ask
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for cryptocurrency, gift cards, wire transfers, whatever it is. Thank you.
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So the reason why the PCH scam works is because
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criminals exploit a well-recognized name and they pretend to be
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from the real publisher's clearinghouse. We've all seen those commercials.
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I saw these commercials as a kid where the prize
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patrol comes out to your house with this big check
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and balloons and they're out front and there's TV cameras
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and it's all exciting. So we've, we all want to
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be that person. You know, think about it. You get
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that money and you can pay off all your bills.
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You can buy a new car. You can move to
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a new house. You can take care of your family.
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It's amazing. My mom got this phone call a few
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years ago and she told me they, you know, once they,
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told her she won a prize. Then they give her
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the choice. Well, do you want the big check in
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front of your house or do you want to make
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it low key? So it's almost like they're taking you
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down that path that they're going to get you on.
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So the reason I'm doing this show today on the
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PCH scam is it's still a problem. I spoke to
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a woman in Tucson, Arizona this summer, and I had
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found out she had sent money to a scammer, um,
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she received a phone call from this guy. He convinced
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her she'd won the PCH sweepstakes. Um, she was real,
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you know, not real sure on how much she gave,
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you know, a lot of time that's, that's part of
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the embarrassment and shame. She didn't want to fully admit
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how much, um, had been taking, taken from her. Um, but,
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we made sure that she recognized that it was a
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scam and we said, don't send any more money. But
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you know what? These criminals don't quit. I have a
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fear that that scammer will reach out to her again
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and say, you know what? This prize is still there.
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It's just waiting for you. All we need is that
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last tax payment or that last processing fee and you'll
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have this money. So they are absolutely relentless. So I
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always get the question too is, are we doing anything
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about this? Is the government doing anything? Police, federal agents, Congress,
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are we having any success? And the truth is, law
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enforcement is absolutely overwhelmed. There are so many scammers and
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the numbers are increasing. There are more and more scammers.
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Law enforcement is overwhelmed. That's why at Rose, we are
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in the prevention business. We are trying to get out
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in front and warn people about these scams in the
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first place. But yes, there has been some good news
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in the fight against this scam. Over the past five
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years or so, the United States Attorney's Office in Tucson,
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Arizona has successfully charged, extradited, and secured convictions on numerous
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PCH scammers, many of which actually come out of Jamaica,
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which is interesting because in Jamaica, they speak English. So
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it works very well to contact Americans because they have
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really good English in Jamaica. I sat in on one
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of those trials and I learned at the trial that
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the scammers focus their energy on individuals who are 80
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years and above. They would actually purchase lead lists. It's
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like lists of names and phone numbers and addresses. And
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they only wanted to call people who were 80 plus.
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And I thought, Why is that? Every age group gets scammed.
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But they must have thought they had a better chance
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to steal money from fellow Americans that are older. And
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this was very interesting. The one day I attended the trial,
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one of the victims actually testified from the grave. Yes,
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the government interviewed her, did a recorded deposition. because she
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was such a key witness and the court allowed this
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deposition to be entered into evidence at trial. So they
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played her voice. So even though she had passed away
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between the time she got scammed and by the time
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the government was able to get this case to trial,
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she testified from the grave and that defendant was found guilty.
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So yes, there is some, some good news. So, but still,
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It's way better to prevent these scams in the first
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place by hanging up, identifying the scam right away, and
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don't engaging with these people. You know, there's that old saying,
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if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Yes,
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you didn't win the publisher's clearinghouse sweepstakes. You didn't enter
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and you didn't win. If they're asking for money, you
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know it's a scam. So if and when you get
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this call, you have to be prepared to hang up.
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Let me tell you a funny story. They actually called
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me on my government-issued cell phone when I was in
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the federal building in Tucson, Arizona. It was about 10
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years ago. It was around lunchtime. My phone rings. I
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pull the phone out of my pocket, and I look
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at it. The caller ID didn't say Publisher's Clearinghouse, but
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it actually said Kingston, Jamaica. And this was the time
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when these investigations were going on. So I knew exactly
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what was going on. I knew it was the PCH scam.
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So I answered the phone, just kind of played dumb.
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And the caller asked if I'd ever heard of the
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PCH sweepstakes. And I kind of blew it. I would
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never make a good undercover agent. But I said, oh,
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Publisher's Clearinghouse. I don't ever remember entering. And I think
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he could just tell I was not going to. be
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a victim of the scam. And he just hung up
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on me. I don't know why. Like I said, I'd
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make a terrible undercover agent, but this shows they're coming
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after all of us. Um, they may be targeting people
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who are 80 plus, but they were contacted me 10
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years ago and I was in my forties and they're
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literally just calling every number. It's just the shotgun effect effect. Shoot,
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make as many phone calls as possible and see what happens. So,
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So that's the Publishers Clearinghouse sweepstakes in a nutshell. It
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works because people want to win. It worked because we
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answer our phone when it says Publishers Clearinghouse on the
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caller ID. And it worked because we all get excited
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and make bad decisions when it comes to money. We
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all can be guilty of it. What I've learned is
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everyone can be scammed. So we have to be very alert.
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And then one last thing, let me go back to
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that gentleman I told you about earlier that had sent
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in about a quarter million dollars to the scammer. I
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checked on him a week or so later just to
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see if he was doing okay. You know, I wanted
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to help him report the loss to law enforcement, but
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I was just worried about him and he didn't sound
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good over the phone. He sounded very depressed. And even
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though he was in his 70s, he was going to
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go back to work because he'd actually sold some assets
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to come up with that $ 250, 000. And it's just sad.
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There's real-life consequences to these scams. And that man will
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never be the same. So we at Rose desire that
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nobody falls for scams. It just breaks our heart when
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we hear these stories. It's gotten to the point now
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where I hear stories of victims on a weekly basis,
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sometimes even multiple times a week. And it's absolutely frustrating.
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So how do we stop these scammers? It's through education.
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It's through prevention. It's through collaboration. So please sign up
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for our monthly email. Go to roseadvocacy.org right there on
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the screen. Super easy. Go on there. the bottom of
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our page, there's a blue button says sign up for
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our mailing list or email list. All we're asked for
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is your name and your email. I know you'll like
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the information. If you like it, share it with your friends, family, neighbors.
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We want more and more people on our list just
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to spread the word. If you don't like it, you
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can unsubscribe. We won't have our feelings hurt. We have
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a lot of choices out there, but we provide good content.
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And then more importantly, Tell someone about this PCH scam,
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especially someone that lives by themselves, is very trusting, answers
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the phone, and really anybody. But those are the people
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I worry about most. But also talk to it with
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your parents. Talk about it with your kids. Talk about
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it with people at work. Talking scams is not always
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the most exciting thing to talk about because it can
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be a dreary topic. but it has life changing consequences.
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If you just spend five or 10, 15 minutes a
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week doing something about scam prevention, you are going to
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save a lot of money, save a lot of grief,
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