March 25, 2025

Antivirus, Malware, and EDR - not just for your desktop.

Antivirus, Malware, and EDR - not just for your desktop.

Antivirus, malware and EDR are not just for your desktop. It is important to have this on all of your devices, including your mobile phone. How easy is it to accidentally click on a malicious link on your mobile phone? Very easy!
Joyce and Lynndel...

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Season 1

Antivirus, malware and EDR are not just for your desktop. It is important to have this on all of your devices, including your mobile phone. How easy is it to accidentally click on a malicious link on your mobile phone? Very easy!
Joyce and Lynndel talk about the differences of antivirus, malware and EDR protection and the free vs. paid subscriptions.

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Disclaimer: The information contained in this podcast is intended for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for individual professional / legal advice. The podcast information was carefully compiled from vetted sources and references; however, R.O.S.E. Resources / Outreach to Safeguard the Elderly cannot guarantee that you will not fall victim to a scam.

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purposes only and is not a substitute for individual professional

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legal advice. The podcast information was carefully compiled from vetted

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sources and references. However, Rose Resources outreach to safeguard the

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elderly cannot guarantee that you will not fall victim to

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a scam. Let's talk about scams. It's the must listen

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show for anyone who wants to protect themselves and their

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loved ones from scams. Every Tuesday am Pacific time on

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K four HD Radio, Joyce Petrowski, founder of Rose, and

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her guests will provide valuable insights and practical tips on

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how to recognize and protect yourself from scams. And now

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here is your host, Joyce Petrowski.

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Welcome back everybody to let's talk about scams. I'm Joyce Petrowski,

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founder and President of Rose Resources Outreach to safeguard the elderly.

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You can find more resources on our website at Roseadvocacy

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dot org. You can sign up for our newsletters via

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email and or in the mail and you'll also find

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our social media channels on there as well. And you're

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going to want to go to the events tab. We

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have our third annual Golfers for Senior Protection Tournament coming

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up on Friday, April eleventh, and we are looking for

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some more golfers. You can use the discount code board

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that's b as in Boyard and Dog and you can

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save some money on your golf registration. So today we're

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going to talk about antivirus malware and endpoint detection and response.

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And I have a guest, Lynn at Edgington. So let's

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welcome Lynn.

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Hi, Joyce, thank you for having me.

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Yes, thank you for being here. And so why don't

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you first introduce yourself.

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My name is Lynn Edgington and I'm the former founder

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and president of Egle Research Associates. We were a five

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oh one c three nonprofit corporation that basically re educated

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the public about all the different types of investment cyber

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crime that was taking place, as well as working with

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law enforcement officers and agents worldwide in their investigations, and

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so we ran from We actually formed in two thousand

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and eight and we dissolved our nonprofit at the end

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of twenty twenty. But prior to that, I had four

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years of researching this particular part of the industry that's

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out there, and it became something that we knew we

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had to do. The FBI now is in two thousand

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and seven that they were getting rid of eighteen hundred

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of their white collared crime investigators, and we knew that

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was a license to steel, and so like minded individuals

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we formed Eagle and we were approved in February of

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two thousand and eight, and he gave you an idea

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what we were talking about. When that announcement came out.

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It came out in March of two thousand and seven.

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There were approximately about because we're in the early stages

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at this point, and it was probably about twenty five hundred,

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maybe four thousand, somewhere in that range of different types

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of investment cybercrime. Okay, from just March when they announced

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what was made until September that jumped over fifteen thousand.

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It just was and we knew we knew what was

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going to happen because I had a group of people

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that we were on all the farms that were available

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where these things were promoted, and so we saw what

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was going on and we knew something had to be done.

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In law enforcement overwhelmed, which they were. So that's why

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we formed.

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Either Okay, all right, so you helped law enforcement basically

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put their cases together, try to figure out where these

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the criminals were at that were participating in these investment

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schemes and scams and in things of that nature.

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Yes, what we would do is that we would go

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take screenshots of their web pages. We we do copies

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of their different when they would go on YouTube and

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they do videos. If they were on the forums, we

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take screenshots of the forums when they were talking about

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the program, so we get of course a lot of

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times they were using fake names. So we would so

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we would then find out what you know, we would

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go back in. I can't I can't get into all

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of it, but the instant that we would be able

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to go in and we would start doing the research

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is to locating where they were located, who the players were,

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the way the fake name to find the real person,

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and then we would pass all that information on the

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law enforcement so they they would be able to decide

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whether or not there was enough information for them to

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bring criminal charges.

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Got it okay? And you have since closed Eagle down? Correct?

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Correct? Right?

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And so today I wanted to talk about antivirus, malware

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and endpoint detection and response. And I don't even know

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if we really even call it antivirus anymore. I'm hearing

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from a lot of cybersecurity people that that term is outdated.

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It's it's malware. Is is more the term that encompasses antivirus?

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Or maybe it's too different?

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No, that's true. Is like everything else from two thousand

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and four, when I first started getting involved in this

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and finding it and learning all about it until when

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I dissolved on twenty twenty, they constantly change, and the

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programs changed, the way they put them together changed. And

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the same thing is is they got really good at

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what they did at the beginning. It was a lot

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easier than it was later because they, like everything else,

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they hone their skills and they increased their ability to

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avoid detection, and so it was a cat and masking

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for us. I mean, it really was challenging to be

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able to do it. The same thing's happen here. There's

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still viruses out there, but they've now worked it into malware.

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Atwere spyware because that's really what it encompasses, where the

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virus is coming from and where it's part of that group.

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And then we have the other elements that come on

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board from there, and that's when you get the computer hacking,

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and then you get into all the other things that

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are going on with the hacking, and then you get

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the ransomware and all those other things that start coming

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into play. But the entry levels, like everything else, there's

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an entry level. Then they go advanced, and the further

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they get in, the more advanced they get. And the

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tragic news is is that while you can be protecting

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your personal identity, if they get into a company that

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you do business with, they got your information, you've been

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Now you're subject and you are now exposed to having

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identity theft. And we've had Verizon, we've had AT and T,

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We've had comcasts, we've had go down the list of

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major companies and healthcare companies and Social Security of all

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things we've we've had the FTC. Even the FTC was hacked,

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and so if you've had any dealings with any of

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those agencies, and like I said, the medical records were huge,

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and the problem with medical identity theft is so hard

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to get it cured because the laws that have been

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in place to protect you work. It gives you when

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you're trying to to prove you're not the person who

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did this is not you, right three times, it's more

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difficult to resolve that than it does just identity theft.

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Wow, Okay, I haven't thought about that, But you're right.

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There's all those confidentialities and HIPPA and all those things

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that come into play when you're talking about medical you know,

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but you're you're right as far as as far as

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you know, you can control what you information you put

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online that you are voluntarily you know, putting out there,

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like on social media, and you can protect you know,

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your devices with the antivirus, the malware, EDR all that stuff.

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But if you do business with another company and that

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other company gets breached or hacked into. And that's interesting

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because I just recently switched cybersecurity companies last fall, and

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with this new one. We talked about that, right, and

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they walked me down that path. And even as far

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as like with our auction coming up with our golf tournament.

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You know, we have an auction email and anybody that

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has access to that email, that can get in that

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email needs to go through the cybersecurity training, right. And

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same with like my grants person who has a grants

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email with Rose Advocacy, she needs to go through that

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cybersecurity training because if they compromise her, they could get

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into rows. Absolutely.

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And the ironic thing about the whole thing is it's

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always from an employee that gets an email. Doesn't bother

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to really check to make sure it's the email from

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the person who says they send it and that unless

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they open it up, they now preached. And how far

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they can get into the company depends on who that

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person is, how much at the lower level person they

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can get to the lower level, but they can't get

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until they can get but they get they can get

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the company roster. Now they've got the emails and so

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then they can start sending emails making you think that

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it's first my like an executive officer of the company,

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and people know, oh my gosh, you know, the president

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or the CFO has one of this information. I got

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to get it to them, and they do it and

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they don't realize it's not really from the President, the

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CFO or whoever they're portraying to.

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Be, right, and even with outside of email.

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So, I think last summer when they talked about the

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centers for Medicare and Medicaid that over a million Medicare

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users information was breached. It wasn't the centers itself, It's

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that they contracted out some of their services to a

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third party and that third party was breached, which then

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led to over a million Medicare users information being breached.

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So yeah, so you know it comes in that aspect too.

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But let's let's talk about the So you know, the

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title of this is, you know, antivirus, malware and endpoint

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detection and response. Not just for your desktop, because I

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think a lot of people and I think they are

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now thinking of it with laptops and stuff like that,

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because a lot of people with their remote working and traveling,

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their laptop is their desktop type of you know office.

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But what about iPads? What about your mobile phones?

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Right?

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What about if you have an online gaming system? Right

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where you play games in real time with people. I mean,

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is it really anything that's connected to the Internet, you

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should really have this type of protection on there.

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Absolutely, And the amount of protection you have really depends

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on what your need is. Everybody has a different set

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of what they do online versus not online. One of

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the most interesting statistics that I actually saw was kind

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of shocking, is is that we all have smartphone and

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whether it's an Apple or whether it's Android, whatever, do

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you got a smartphone? And people don't realize that phone

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calls are only four percent of the use of the phone.

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The rest of it's texting, it's online banking, is website browsing,

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it's all these other functions that you do because you've

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got a mini computer in your hand exactly has more

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power than the all of the computers that put the

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man on the moon, and it's sitting in the palm

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of your hand, and it was that was in a

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room that was probably thirty to forty feet long and

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about fifteen twenty feet wide of computers that we're putting

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together the formula for the space for us to be

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able to go to the moon. The palm of your hand,

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you have more computing power in the palm of your

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hand than they did in those computers. That's how far

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we've advanced. And so any phone you have, if you're

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doing online banking, you really, I mean, anything you do online,

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you need to have it because it's it's an entering

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point that they can access. And the thing it amazes

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me is is that we warn people that when you

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go on to social media, who as little information out

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there as you possibly can. Absolutely, because I can get

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your I can get your date of birth just from

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going to your Facebook page, really Instagram or what pinterest

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you name it. I can get access to your information.

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And I know how old you are because I know

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when your birthday is because you tell.

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Me exactly and hold it up. Do you tell me,

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we tell you who our relatives are.

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Or we're getting picture of where we are what we do. Absolutely,

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of mine that he was going on a trip and

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I said, no, no, don't tell anybody you're going out

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of town. He goes why and I said, because you're

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setting yourself up to be robbed. And he goes, no, no, no,

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I live in a really safe area. And I go

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I'm just telling you you can't do it. You're going

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to slave yourself. They go. He comes home and his

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apartment was broken into wow when he was going, and

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they knew when he was coming home.

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Right, I have a lot of friends and he was

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selling right that on they get ready to if they're

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just even going for a long weekend or if they're

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going for a vacan right, they post and it's the

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map of you know that they're getting ready to get

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on a plane and they're going, you know, from Phoenix

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to and it shows you know where they're going on

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the map. And sometimes you know, they'll say, you know, oh,

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we're going to be gone for two weeks or whatever,

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and you don't think about it because on the surface,

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you know, it's like, oh, you know, I'm just sharing this, right,

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it's I'm going on vacation. What harm can that cause

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that you have to stop think about it? And if

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there is nobody else at home, right, then you're leaving

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it open. But still, if you have other people at home,

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you don't necessarily want to be inviting somebody to come

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over to do bad things right with them if you

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have people at home, right, So what type of do

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pretty much. I know there's a ton of different companies

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that sell this type of software, and they have some

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free versions and pay and a bunch of different paid

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versions and stuff like that. Is there have they pretty

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much all? Are they all on board with having it

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for your mobile phone?

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Yes? Most almost every of the companies I know that's

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in this that's in this uh, in this industry and

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in dealing in this particular market, they all have to

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go because they know that it's a computer. Let's get real,

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your phone is a phone in name only because it

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really is a computer, and so they recognize and so

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they do have it. So it's set up that you

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can put it on your phone, you can put it

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an iPads, you can put it on you know, no book,

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you can do anything. It's electronic. It connects to the internet.

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Their software will work on those packages. So it's important

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that you have it because I gave you an example

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of some things that you really why you need it

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because if you, like you mentioned before about people are

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going to more laptops than they are to the PC. Well,

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if you use the WiFi that's free at a local

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coffee shop and you're sitting there, there can be a

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person sitting within five feet of you, and it's called sidejacking,

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and they can put a device inside of their port

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and they can want you log on because you're on

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a public accently, they can want you log on. They

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get your passwork, they get all your information. They're looking

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at you, and they're there with you in real time

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just as if they were because they're not looking over

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your shoulder, but they're looking over your shoulder, but they're

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doing it from five to six feet away. That they

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can do it. It's the same thing that we warn

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people about when they go to the store with credit cards.

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There's card readers that they don't have to they do

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not have to see you do anything. They can walk

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by with the device and they'll pull up every card

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that you got in your wallet or in your purse.

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And of course we see this on the book. Of

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course we're aware of it because of the black market,

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and we know the dark web has it, and we

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know where where those sites are. We know who you

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know pretty much what all they and their what the

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new product goes. They heat coming out with new products

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every every week, and so you're kind of kind of

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you know, so you have to stay on top of

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it so you can alert law enforcement. And so what

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we would do with law enforcement is we would go

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to them and say, okay, here are the ten or

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fifteen major pazis that we now are pyramid scheme or

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whatever it is, for whatever form it takes. You tell

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us which ones you were were interested in, because they

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can't do them all. There's there's a limited amount of

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people and a limited amount of time, and so they

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come back to us and would tell us here's the

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ones that we're interested in knowing more about, and then

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we would go start getting gathering the information and sending

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it to them. So that's how we would help them

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with their with their research. And it was and we

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enjoyed doing it because we knew it was critical that

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it would be done. But again, you have to say,

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we have to be two steps in front of what

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the bad guys are doing as much as we possibly can,

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and that's not steps ahead of them most of the time.

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Right, that's extremely difficult to do because most of the

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time you don't know what's going on until you see

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stuff on the dark web, the black market or heard

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that people have fallen victim to it, right. You can anticipate.

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And so that's what's really good about this antivirus and

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malware and EDR is it's there to protect you, right.

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And I think I want to go as far as

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to say it's not one hundred percent accurate. There are

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some you know, emails that could slip through, so you

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still have to watch, but it gives you just an

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increased sense that you know you're you're more secure than

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you used to if you have this enabled. And one

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of the things we tell people and is that no

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matter what device you have it on, you have to

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make sure that it's running twenty four to seven. I

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remember when anti virus first came out. You could get

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it and it would be like on the bottom of

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your computer and whenever you thought about it, or if

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you had it on your calendar, you would go down

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and click on it and tell it to scan your device.

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So it was only scanning your device when you told

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it to. Is it pretty much now the programs are

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just automatically always twenty four to seven scanning or do

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they still have some services out there that are a

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manual that you actually have to go in and tell it.

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A lot of the freeware is still manual. If you

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go to the page subscription, you can set up when

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you want it to scan it and the frequency of

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scanning because it's built into the software package, so you

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can tell when you want your system to be scanned.

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And depending on how much you expose yourself online, depends

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on how frequently you want to scan your system. But

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it always rings in the background, so if something happens,

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it'll pop up and tell you something's come on. But

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back in two thousand and four and about twenty twelve,

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there was no need for people to have to pay

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for the software because it was doing his job during

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that framework of time. There from two thousand the middle

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of twenty twelve coming forward. Every year after that, it

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just kept accelerating and accelerating, and we were like, the

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free weeeds don't do it anymore. It's nice, but they

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come down so much in price for the basic protection

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that you really need. For probably eighty percent of the people,

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it's not that expensive. But on the other side, depending

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on how much you do and how much what you're

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exposing yourself to, how many do see what you want

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to do, is the price will depend on how many

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differents devices that you have that you need to have

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to protect it on. So you can get one for

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one device, two, three, five, seven, twelve, so you know

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what you what, you're how many devices you need to

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have that software on, and so that package will as

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you add more devices to it, the price will go up.

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But again, if you've only got three devices, it's not

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that expensive, and it doesn't and you can actually get

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up to five or six devices without it being that expensive.

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And so again, but it comes back to which one

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of the many programs are out there that's going to

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best suit your needs. Now, the thing we did was

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we had to do it is we had more than one.

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You know, I had three major ones and I had

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three other once in the background that I didn't run

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all the time, but every once in a while I

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would run them because they will sometimes wanted to pick

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up something at deener and missed. And because of the

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sensitive nature we were dealing with and the stuff that

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we had to deal with, we could not take a

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risk of having our systems compromise. So we had Somebody said, well,

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you got overkill, and I said, well not really when

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you consider what we do. I mean, we knew we

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had to have that protection going in and Culturnately, because

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we were nonprofit, a lot of the companies they said, look,

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we like what you're doing, and so we are going

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to donate to you the software so we could afford

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to have those many programs that are available to put

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on on all of our devices, so that we knew

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we were protecting no matter what device we were using.

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Nice we didn't have a lot.

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It saved us thousands of dollars, to be honest with you,

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because there's one program that wasn't even available to the public.

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It was strictly top five hundred companies that are available

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to because the software is so expensive that they were

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the only ones that can afford it, and they allow

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us they had We actually had a test version put

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on our system so they can monitor to see what

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our our threats were on a regular basis, and of

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course they fluctuated depending on what we were doing at

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the time and what was what exposure was getting. When

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when a particular Bonzi would get taken down, then the

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hitts were going dramatically. So we were kind of Betty

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testing for their home market. And now they've now entered

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into the home market where back in two thousands, two

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thousand and five. They weren't even in the home market.

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They didn't come on the home market until somewhere around

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twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, but we were one of the

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first one. There were others using it, but we were

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because of what we were doing was so unique. We

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knew we would tested to a maximum, so they allowed

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had that software. So the place we were blessed to

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be able to have that way.

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Yeah, So what we normally suggest to people in the

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presentations and you know, in our newsletters and social media

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and stuff about this topic is because there's so many

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companies out there that provide this service at a variety

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of different subscription levels, and everybody's situation is different, right,

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Like my situation and needs would be different than like

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what yours was, you know, ten years ago, Right, so

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you have to look at different ones and you have

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to evaluate what they offer, what their price points are,

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and so we just suggest to go into their Internet

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search bar and say best antivirus malware programs for twenty

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twenty five and a lot of these tech companies like

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PC Magazine, then that's just one in particular, but they're

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a bunch of them. That actually they go in on

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a regular basis and they evaluate these programs and they

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give you like their top eight or ten picks, and

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they give you the pros and cons, and they have

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different subscription levels, and they will then usually have a

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link directly to the company's website and have a discount

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code right that you can then use to get the products.

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So they've kind of done a lot of the research

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for you, you know, for you to then go in

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and evaluate different things. Is that really the best way

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for just a general consumer to try to search out

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what what would be best for them?

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Absolutely, because what they do is is they they they

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get the Cram Della Cram because this is what they do,

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I mean, this is what they're based on. They deal

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with computers, they deal with the phone, so they know

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what software is going to be compatible to all the

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devices that are out in the market in the marketplace,

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and so they can tell you which is a bet

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because there's some of the really good for the Windows

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program and there's other ones that are really better for

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the Apple program. So you've got to be better to

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look and see which device are you using and which

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one would be the best for you depending on what

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whichever product you're using. That determines really sometimes which one

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you really need to go with. But what I found

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is is that almost all of the top ten maybe

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well actually the top twenty five, they do both. They

466
00:27:28.119 --> 00:27:31.880
do Windows and they also do Apple products. So because

467
00:27:31.880 --> 00:27:34.599
they've been forced to go there. You know, years ago,

468
00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:37.640
Apple liked to tout the fact that they were hack proof,

469
00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:41.720
you know, they they were safe and secure, and it's like, well, no,

470
00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:44.960
the only reason why you're not being hacked is because

471
00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:48.519
you're not being enough. There's not enough of you. You

472
00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:51.799
don't have enough devices in the marketplace for it to

473
00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:56.119
be worthwhile for them to come after you because your

474
00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:59.119
Peanuts compared to the Windows operating system, because that's what

475
00:27:59.799 --> 00:28:02.160
the ninety eight percent of the market at that time

476
00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:05.480
was Windows. So I said, but when you get big enough,

477
00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:08.680
you're going to start finding security flows. Well, Apples had

478
00:28:09.559 --> 00:28:12.599
just in the last four years, Apples had thirty seven

479
00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:15.759
upgrades to their system where they found security flaws in

480
00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:21.319
their Apple product. Why because they were not they were

481
00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:24.359
not a cool pleading. They were able to be hacked

482
00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:27.759
and sore. Again, it was a wake up call for them.

483
00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:32.720
And again you see the trends that are coming and

484
00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:35.519
you can say, well, you get big enough and they're

485
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:38.000
going to come after you, because they're going after anybody

486
00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:40.880
and everybody that when the running gets to the level,

487
00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:43.920
Because why would I want to spend you know, hours,

488
00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:48.119
you know, one hundred hours working on maybe targeting one

489
00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:51.480
hundred thousand computers when I can spend the same amount

490
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:53.640
of time and get twenty five million.

491
00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:55.759
Right, And so.

492
00:28:57.400 --> 00:28:59.759
It comes back to contexts to what's the size of

493
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:01.720
them market that you're going after, what do you want

494
00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:03.839
to penetrate, and how bad do you want to get

495
00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:06.559
in there? And like I said, apples now at the

496
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:09.759
place where they're feeling the pain that all the windows

497
00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:14.559
and everybody's has been facing all this time. And the

498
00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:17.720
sad news is it's not going wet. It's getting worse.

499
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:19.039
It's getting worse.

500
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:24.559
It is amazing to me that I can look at

501
00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:27.880
this stuff and get I have access to a lot

502
00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:31.240
of people that work in cybersecurity and they come back

503
00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:33.480
to me and they're telling you about it. And these

504
00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:37.519
guys are the top much computer whizzes going and they're

505
00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:39.799
coming back and saying there's times when we feel like

506
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:43.720
we're a mile behind them. We're trying to play catchup. Wow,

507
00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:48.599
because they're advancing so much because they they got these

508
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:53.680
young kids that are computer whizzes and they're really work

509
00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:58.400
for peanuts, and so that they may peanuts, but they

510
00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:00.440
also know that if they get shot down, they're not

511
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:03.640
going to face any really serious time because they're miners

512
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:06.359
and therefore they're not going to face any in jail time.

513
00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:08.480
They're going to get side rests and they're going to

514
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:10.599
go out the back door and back at three blocks

515
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:12.200
down from where they got raided, and they're going to

516
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:13.519
go back and they're going to be right back in

517
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:17.240
business within two hours or three hours max. So again,

518
00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:20.359
you know, this is the problem that they're facing. And

519
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:24.880
so what they've been doing is is they've been going

520
00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:27.759
after the people they got caught and say come work

521
00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:31.440
for us, Oh okay, And so they're now pulling them

522
00:30:31.480 --> 00:30:33.920
into the best on the good side of the law

523
00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:37.680
and saying, help us prevent this from happening because you

524
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:39.839
were on the other side of the fence. You know what,

525
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:42.920
you know, you know what you're doing, so go over

526
00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:45.759
and help us and educate us. So that's what they're

527
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.200
now doing. They're actually taking these people who want to

528
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:50.079
say they're going to them and say we don't want

529
00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:52.039
them in prison. We want them to come work for

530
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:54.640
us if you if you let them, if they'll come

531
00:30:54.680 --> 00:30:57.799
work for us, they don't face prison time. And so

532
00:30:57.920 --> 00:30:59.839
that's what they're doing to get them on board so

533
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:03.000
that they can keep up with what's happening in the marketplace.

534
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:10.240
Wow wow, Okay. This endpoint detection and response, that's kind

535
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:15.160
of a newer area when it cut. My understanding is

536
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:21.519
that the malware and that looks for known threats, but

537
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:25.680
this endpoint detection and response is more of a behavioral

538
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:31.279
It's looking at behaviors and then making a determination of Okay,

539
00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:33.880
this looks suspicious based on its behaviors.

540
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:39.960
There's so many facets that these the new software is

541
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:44.880
coming that they brought online, and what you're talking about

542
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:47.079
is that's one of that's one of many that they're

543
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:51.119
working on. One of the problems you had is is

544
00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:53.079
there's a lot of things that are doing that they

545
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:56.279
can't tell it publicly because they don't want the bad

546
00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:00.839
guys know that they're onto them, you know, they don't.

547
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:04.720
Really what they'll do is they quietly send the information

548
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:07.920
to the companies they're doing the virus protection of malware,

549
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:10.440
the spyware, and what they do is they feed that

550
00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:13.559
information to them so they can increase and enhance their products,

551
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.200
and then they can go with a new release and

552
00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:18.440
it just is like, oh, well, we were working on this,

553
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:21.039
this is our new version. Because it's public information, and

554
00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:24.720
they're out there in the marketplace and so they you know.

555
00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:28.079
But the thing is is that.

556
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:33.519
It's amazing to me the number of people that don't

557
00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:36.640
realize how much they're exposing themselves to. You know, we

558
00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:40.000
talk about privacy and how important it is, and I

559
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:42.599
can tell you I can go into any store and

560
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:46.720
I can listen to one hundred and fifty phone conversations

561
00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:50.759
on their phone, and if I got aside Jack, I

562
00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:52.920
can pick up everything they're doing, and most especially if

563
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:55.319
they're going online. Just like on a computer, I can

564
00:32:55.359 --> 00:33:00.799
get untaxeds to their phone. But privacy, I I understand

565
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:04.720
why they think they're private. But when you're announcing it

566
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:07.680
to the world, you might within hear hearing shot out

567
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.519
where you're talking. We're going to find out a lot

568
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:13.240
of information you really don't want the way, because you

569
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:17.359
don't know where you're standing next to and who's listening exactly.

570
00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:18.759
That's the scary part about it.

571
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:25.039
Yeah. Yeah, so there was a so when someone is

572
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:29.279
when when someone is looking for you know, even if

573
00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:31.880
they're going on you know, they've they've googled or whatever

574
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:37.200
search engine you know, best antivirus malware EDR for twenty

575
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:39.799
twenty five, and they're looking at one of these articles

576
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:43.960
and trying to decipher what's going to work best for them.

577
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:48.480
Are there certain like when they're comparing the different plans

578
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:51.400
that they should be looking for. And I think as

579
00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:54.039
we talk about this, we're going to put a We're

580
00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:56.720
going to put a graphic up as to how to

581
00:33:56.839 --> 00:33:57.799
compare plans.

582
00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:04.160
Yeah, it's not as complicated as you think it would be. Okay,

583
00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:08.599
it boils down to what are you doing online? How

584
00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:11.840
much exposure are you actually exposing yourself too? Because most

585
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:14.360
people don't have any concept now how much they really

586
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:17.599
are exposing themselves to. But it's like we go back

587
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:20.239
to the beginning when I'm saying, if you're doing online banking,

588
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:23.199
if you're searching the web, you're doing you know, Amazon,

589
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:25.920
you're doing all this shopping online and do all this stuff,

590
00:34:26.440 --> 00:34:30.239
your exposure goes up exponentially. The more you do with

591
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:33.639
your phone online, the more exposure you have. So what

592
00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:36.400
you look at the programs, you want to see which

593
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:39.800
ones cover the basic needs that i'm the things that

594
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:42.480
I'm doing. And here you can see this happened to be,

595
00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:47.599
this one happen has come from our bites. They're one

596
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:51.440
of the one of the top twenty. Actually they're always

597
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:54.039
consistently in the top twenty. But you can see the

598
00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:58.280
differences to what each of the different programs offer. And

599
00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:00.880
what is this showing here on this chart? It is download.

600
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:04.000
There's still more information down below that. The first two

601
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:08.039
lines they go down pretty far down, but of course

602
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:12.159
the ultimate is everything, and then you go to the plus.

603
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:17.840
It's about it's maybe five six things that are short

604
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:20.840
of what the ultimate, so that's probably more than that.

605
00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:23.880
It's probably about ten things that are critical if you're

606
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:27.480
depending on what your usage is, that it makes it

607
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:31.159
worthwhile to go to the ulement. The bottom line is,

608
00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:34.440
as anybody that's the majority of people listening to this

609
00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:37.480
can either go the plus or the standard is going

610
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:40.199
to be more than adequate for their need. But again

611
00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:43.840
it's that rare individual that's doing a multitude of things

612
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:47.000
that need to protect themselves and they can look and

613
00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:51.360
see how critical if it's worth. The Ultimate Plan and

614
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:53.679
there's a lot of people that there is a need

615
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:56.239
for that, and each one of the programs will have

616
00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:58.000
that kind of a checklist. So what you do is

617
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:01.079
you go look at malware bites. You can go into

618
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:06.800
the other ones. There's Norton, Good Defender, Mcabee, so I

619
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:09.719
mean go down the list. I can name even more.

620
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:12.039
But the thing is is you look at you look

621
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:15.039
at their screen showing what they cover with the basic

622
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:17.960
price point that they had. So they're all going to

623
00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:21.519
have this range of products and range of services for

624
00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:23.400
what you pay for. So then you look at them

625
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:26.400
side by side and you can say what's this. You

626
00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:28.519
can also go to a site and you can say

627
00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:31.920
you want to compare, and you put in the information

628
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:33.880
about each of the programs and they don't have a

629
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:36.599
graph come up and it'll list every one of them,

630
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:39.079
and you can go line by line and see how

631
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:41.960
they match up against each other, so you know which

632
00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:43.800
one's going to give you the best bang for your buck.

633
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:48.960
Nice Okay, I noticed on that the Middle Plan when

634
00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:52.559
it was up there, not the Ultimate the Plus. I

635
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:56.079
think it was. It had device security, which is what

636
00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:58.960
you want at a minimum, is what you want. But

637
00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:02.920
it also said the VPN, the virtual private network. So

638
00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:08.880
I've heard a lot about if you if you are

639
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:14.719
someone who even though we say do not use the

640
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:21.719
public Wi fis, you know even so I'm going to

641
00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:25.039
use like hotels for example, when when you go and

642
00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:27.800
you're staying in a hotel, they're going to say, no,

643
00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:32.119
it's a secure Wi Fi, it's password protected. Well, I

644
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:34.840
look at it and say, okay, it's got a password,

645
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:39.559
But how many thousands of people know that password? Everybody

646
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:44.840
staying there knows that password, right, and it's easy enough

647
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:48.079
for them to get your name, your last name, and

648
00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:50.159
your if you have to put your room number in right.

649
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:56.840
But still so even if they say it's password protected,

650
00:37:56.920 --> 00:37:59.440
you have to look at it and go, yeah. But

651
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:02.400
if they only changed their password once a week or

652
00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:05.760
once every other week, I mean you're just talking about

653
00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:09.079
everybody that stayed at that hotel or went to that

654
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:15.000
hotel for lunch or something. Right, Yes, well, so it

655
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:16.519
is like a public Wi Fi.

656
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:19.480
It is. But the good news is is that they

657
00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:22.559
do change the passwords on a more frequency basis. Now,

658
00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:28.239
I the last I heard the hotel association was having

659
00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:31.800
passwords changed. They would notify the people in the rooms

660
00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:33.360
that it was changing every four hours.

661
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:34.719
Oh that's nice.

662
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:37.760
And so it was something where you know, because if

663
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:39.440
you want to log in, you couldn't get in. So

664
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:43.039
they give you a new password and so you can

665
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:48.000
log in, but no matter where you are, if you're

666
00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:52.280
when you're out on your phone. I've got VPN on

667
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:53.440
every device.

668
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:55.360
We had, right, I have it on my phone.

669
00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:59.079
Yeah, and you really wanted for the simple reason is

670
00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:01.519
is because they can paying you and get your exact

671
00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:05.039
location and get your your IP address off of that

672
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:08.719
because it's it's a fake. It's a it's a valid

673
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:12.199
I P number, but it goes nowhere. That's what we

674
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:17.440
all throw away number. And every computer, every phone has

675
00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:21.719
an ID address and this is a block that they've

676
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:24.840
set aside. And when you know what it is, you

677
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:27.639
can spot. I can tell you when somebody's using the

678
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:31.320
VPN just by looking at their IP because we know

679
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:33.360
which pots are using it where they're located.

680
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:39.119
So it protects your location yep.

681
00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:42.320
And then it all your phone from being able to

682
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:45.639
be good to reverse back to your phone to get

683
00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:48.239
your not only get your location but actually get inside

684
00:39:48.280 --> 00:39:52.719
your phone through your I P calls, I P out,

685
00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:54.000
It's okay.

686
00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:59.159
Into your phone is through your I P your address,

687
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:07.239
and it also any any data that you're sending emails,

688
00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:11.840
text messages, any you know, getting online. That stuff is

689
00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:15.679
all supposed to be encrypted on the VPN. Is that accurate?

690
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:20.519
There? Some are, some are, but right now I would

691
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:23.400
tell you ninety nine point nine p VPN is all encrypted.

692
00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:26.039
There's a few out there that still haven't done it,

693
00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:29.840
but there I don't. I mean, there are a few,

694
00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:31.760
but I don't even know who they are anymore, because

695
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:34.519
it's become so critical that they had they had to

696
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:38.800
make that switch and make that change. Okay, but the

697
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:43.199
biggest thing is you. You cause excuse me. You constantly

698
00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:54.800
want to I changed my location about once every oh,

699
00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:57.079
it depends on what price. If I'm on my computer,

700
00:40:57.559 --> 00:41:00.639
on my desktop, I'm changing my location out once every

701
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:04.800
thirty minutes. If it's on my phone, I'm changing it

702
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:05.880
once about every hour.

703
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:15.119
I go ahead, you're changing plication yep, three pm.

704
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:18.000
Yeah, I just go in and I select a different,

705
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:22.400
different location, and it's because of a new a new

706
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:26.159
IP address for where that be being a bocated. And

707
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:31.039
the reason why I do that is because people are

708
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:33.639
going to flip out when the hair this. I didn't

709
00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:39.400
even have a smartphone until October of twenty twenty three,

710
00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:45.760
really really, and there's a well the work I did,

711
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:50.239
I had a flip phone that did have email capability,

712
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:54.639
and it did have texting capability. Okay, but the problem

713
00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:59.760
was I would get thousands of emails and I would

714
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:04.840
get thousands of text messages and if they send it

715
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:08.239
what they called special, I could delete it, but it

716
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:12.679
cost me ten dollars for everyone that I deleted. So

717
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:16.760
we're going back. So I mean, but so I'm sitting

718
00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:19.679
there and I'm going, why do I need it when

719
00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:22.760
I can't use seventy percent of what the what is

720
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:25.760
this program has allowed me to do? I can't use

721
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:28.239
it on my phone because it shuts my phone down.

722
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:32.719
And it's like so all the time when I was

723
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:36.000
doing evil, I never had a smartphone because I couldn't

724
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:40.119
use the services to do it. So because of COVID,

725
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:44.320
we we were still setlling cases that we that were

726
00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:47.360
in the mix and during COVID that didn't finish up

727
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:52.280
until up until September twenty twenty four because it didn't

728
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:54.559
want to get through the court systems to finally get

729
00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:59.079
the cases resolved, and so I was. I finally said okay,

730
00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:01.960
but nobody. See. The thing is, nobody knew I had smartphone.

731
00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:05.119
You know, I get to take see because always before

732
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:07.679
they would it would not take a text. So when

733
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:11.199
I kept the same number, but I thought, okay, I'm

734
00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:14.599
probably now gone for twenty years, they haven't. They haven't

735
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:16.679
figured you know, they know that I don't do texting,

736
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:19.159
so they're not going to figure it out. And to

737
00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:22.039
this day they still I still don't get texting for them.

738
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:24.639
So I probably just blew it because now they know

739
00:43:26.440 --> 00:43:32.039
to say I haven't do that many. They're more interested

740
00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:33.719
in trying to shut my computer down than they are

741
00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:35.840
my telephone because I know I don't make that many.

742
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:38.840
I actually use the phone to call people. You know,

743
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:42.079
it's rare, but I'm one of those uh looks. Let's

744
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:44.360
be honest as gray hair is there for a reason.

745
00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:48.440
So you know, you brought up flip phone, that you

746
00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:51.519
had a flip phone, that you were able to email

747
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:55.280
and text, and I went, I see a lot of

748
00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:59.599
the older adults that they have flip phones. So if

749
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:04.840
you're able to email, then you're connected online.

750
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:06.960
Yep, you need to have protection.

751
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:10.719
Okay. So see, I was under the impression the flip

752
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:14.639
phones were there for a reason because they were not online.

753
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:17.840
Well they were initially that's the way they were. But

754
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:26.440
in twenty when was it twenty twenty twelve, twenty fourteen,

755
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:30.639
is when they started you could get internet, you could

756
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:34.360
do the texting, and you could do you do email

757
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:38.800
on your phone even though you could do it because

758
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:42.239
they advanced it that much. At one point, I had

759
00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:44.639
my original flip phone that I got in nineteen ninety four,

760
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:49.400
oh wow, and I had it, and then I had

761
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:53.039
the one that I had that flip phone from. I

762
00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:56.000
got it like in two thousand and ten, I think

763
00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:59.119
it was. That was about twenty ten. Twenty eleven is

764
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:01.000
when they were starting be able to use the flip phone.

765
00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:03.079
You could do texting. It's been so long now I'm

766
00:45:03.079 --> 00:45:06.880
trying to remember the exact days, but I even still

767
00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:08.519
have it to this day. So I got I got

768
00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:10.519
my original phone, and I got the last phone that

769
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:11.480
I had as a flip phone.

770
00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:15.559
I still have the Well, now some of the cell

771
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:23.320
phone providers don't they offer like malware and anti virus

772
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:29.480
as part of their subscription plans. They're starting pardon me,

773
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:34.239
they're starting to they're starting to. Okay, in fact, we.

774
00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:38.920
Just we just received notification that our electric company is

775
00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:44.079
considering setting up where they're going to start offering internet service.

776
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:48.599
Oh wow, okay, and so, uh, it's.

777
00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:50.519
Still in the planning stages. I'm not sure if they're

778
00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:52.480
still going to do it or not. But they're needing,

779
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:54.519
They're they're seeing the need to be able to provide

780
00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:57.840
that service to the customer base. Ouse in some areas

781
00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:03.000
where they can't. There's a certain certain areas where that's

782
00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:05.800
the only way they would be able to have internet service. Okay,

783
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:08.559
so different way to serve that community. Then the question

784
00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:10.679
is is a large enough volume for them to be

785
00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:13.280
able to pay for the costs of having it done.

786
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:15.920
But they're hoping there, and I know what they're doing.

787
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:18.079
They're hoping they're but they're going to go competing. Look

788
00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:20.039
at every one of the phone companies now, all of

789
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:24.719
them are off in internet connection. You got you got Tea, Lebile,

790
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:29.880
you got Verizon, They've all offering Wi Fi home. I mean,

791
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:34.079
they keep evolving, just like everything else evolves. And so

792
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:37.559
then but again they're they're keeping up with the marketplace

793
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:39.440
and media to demand that people are wanting, and so

794
00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:43.239
consequently they're now offering those services part of their package deals.

795
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:47.599
Got it, But so is the phones are a little

796
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:50.840
more expensive than doing doing one of the other software

797
00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:53.639
programs that's off going that you can add to your phone.

798
00:46:55.239 --> 00:47:01.559
So yeah, just like anything, right, it's it's more expensive

799
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:03.840
when it first rolls out, but then as it's out

800
00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:07.519
there and getting used and stuff, then prices have a

801
00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:08.599
tendency to come down.

802
00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:11.599
I was going to tell you there's one thing that

803
00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:14.519
we didn't talk about that is now becoming a need

804
00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:16.880
is your smart TV.

805
00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:21.519
Oh yes, yes, yes, I'm glad you brought that up.

806
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:26.480
Think about smart TV, Think about your refrigerator, your smart refrigerator,

807
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:34.119
your smart car. And they're hacking cars and they're hacking refrigerators.

808
00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:40.039
I read an article that blew my mind. There were

809
00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:47.519
three thousand people who had their smart toothbrushes hacked and

810
00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:51.119
they got into their computer system because of the smart toothbrush.

811
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:53.039
Connected.

812
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:55.320
I was like, you have got to be kidding me.

813
00:47:55.599 --> 00:47:59.239
But it's door. That always the back door to get

814
00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:03.199
back into your So anytime you're connected they can use

815
00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:05.760
any device to come back in to get back to

816
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:06.559
the original source.

817
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:11.880
How would you protect your smart toothbrush and your smart refrigerator?

818
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:13.840
Do you want to be able to have your system

819
00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:16.239
set up so that you have you have it set

820
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:18.880
up so that it's it's on the system itself that

821
00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:22.800
the toothbrush is connected too. So, like I said, now

822
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:24.679
they're this is going to be the next wave of

823
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:26.800
where they're going to be coming into, where you're going

824
00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:31.719
to have your car smart TV. I never even knew

825
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:33.679
there was such a thing as a smart teeth brush, honestly,

826
00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:36.119
God didn't. But it was somewhere I think it was

827
00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:41.480
in Netherlands or someplace, uh in Europe, scanning Scannadian countries

828
00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:44.599
and I'm like, oh my gosh, he is such a thing.

829
00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:47.320
But I'm going a toothbrush.

830
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:54.519
This it's a back door. But so is it that

831
00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:58.119
people are just using the Bluetooth to connect all these

832
00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:01.840
things versus connecting directly into their Wi Fi system.

833
00:49:03.079 --> 00:49:05.239
I think part of it is, yes, But when you're

834
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:07.519
when you're doing the smart TV, it's connected to your

835
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:10.119
Wi Fi system. So if you got to run your system,

836
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:13.440
you're going to protect your smart TV. The problem is

837
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:17.360
a refrigerator, It depends on how it's connected as to

838
00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:21.760
whether or not it's part of your If you connected

839
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:25.559
Wi Fi and it's not running through your and through

840
00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:28.320
the TV and through your other devices, it's just strictly

841
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:31.400
Wi Fi, it's exposed. So they're going to start coming

842
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:33.679
out with protection to block it so that you have

843
00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:36.320
the same protection runing your refrigerator that you have on

844
00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:39.000
your smart TV, that you have on your computers, and

845
00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:41.320
you have on your phones and all the other devices.

846
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:46.920
So technology is wonderful, but like I said, there's cars

847
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:51.880
being hacked daily, and it's scary because you can cause

848
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:53.880
the major wreck to shut the power off on the car,

849
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:55.960
go down for the way to seventy miles an hour,

850
00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:57.400
and you're all of a sudden you lose power in

851
00:49:57.440 --> 00:49:59.599
a guy behind you just slams right into you.

852
00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:04.760
Right, that's scary. So this right there, what you just

853
00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:08.960
brought up is another reason why people need to have

854
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:14.280
a trusted tech support person. Yeah they need. They might

855
00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:19.159
not have had a need for it, but you should

856
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:22.800
always have that person that you trust because they can

857
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:25.679
usually do things remotely, which means they're going to have

858
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:30.400
to get into your system. But it's you can you

859
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:33.639
can use them even when you don't have a problem.

860
00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:36.760
But even you're like, oh, I'm getting a new smart TV,

861
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:40.079
can you help me make sure it's connected the right

862
00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:44.400
way so it's safe. I'm getting a new refrigerator, this

863
00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:47.639
fancy new refrigerator that's out that I can talk to

864
00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:50.679
it right and and all of this stuff, and I

865
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:53.840
need you to make sure it's right connected the toothbrush,

866
00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:57.719
that it's connected the right way. So this is another

867
00:50:57.960 --> 00:51:01.639
valuable reason why you need to have trusted tech support person.

868
00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:05.519
It's not just for your computers. It's for your mobile phone.

869
00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:10.639
It's for your laptops, Like you said, anything that's online

870
00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:15.480
and smart TVs, smart toothbrushes, smart refrigerators, cars, all that

871
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:16.760
stuff is on.

872
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:21.039
Your security systems with cameras, cameras.

873
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:25.639
Yeah yeah, so I mean it's crazy, right, but.

874
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:28.480
Loves your mind.

875
00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:35.159
Oh absolutely, you just said smart toothbrushes. It's like, wow, yeah,

876
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:39.679
I was got to be kidding. Why did you being

877
00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:44.280
existent that you could say, okay, toothbrush, start brushing my top,

878
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:45.559
my front top.

879
00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:48.280
I don't know how how was the god done? I

880
00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:51.360
was just blo away that they were talking about this

881
00:51:51.559 --> 00:51:56.239
on going toothbrush. It's like, what are we going to

882
00:51:56.440 --> 00:51:59.039
you know, is it gonna you know, are you going

883
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:02.480
to have a well, if we're going to robotics and

884
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:03.880
you're going to have a rope out of your house,

885
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:05.079
you're going to have the same issue.

886
00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:07.280
It can be back right, Yeah.

887
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:11.559
It's like anything that works off of off of a

888
00:52:11.719 --> 00:52:14.599
signal is going to have the ability to be hacked.

889
00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:16.559
And there's going to be people out there. They're going

890
00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:19.800
to it go after it and because they know it's

891
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:21.079
an easy way to get information.

892
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:26.199
All right, we have to wrap it up here. So

893
00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:28.719
the the big thing is is that people need to

894
00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:31.519
do their research and they need to make they know

895
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:34.480
what they're getting, but they need to have this software

896
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:38.400
to protect themselves and have your trusted tech support person.

897
00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:43.559
It's absolutely right. Well, thank you you have that support.

898
00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:47.840
It's the best money you will ever spend. I'm serious, yes,

899
00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:53.599
because they are absolutely I total agree, saving thousands of dollars.

900
00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:57.159
Yep. All right, Well, thank you Lynn, and we'll have

901
00:52:57.280 --> 00:52:58.920
you back to talk about something else.

902
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:03.400
Thank you for having me, Take care, take care.

903
00:53:05.800 --> 00:53:05.960
Well.

904
00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:10.880
Thank you everyone for joining today. Get your your malware

905
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:13.960
and antivirus and EDR in place on all your devices.

906
00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:16.800
Have that trusted tech support person. It's going to help

907
00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:20.480
you with anything that is connected. All of these devices

908
00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:26.480
and TVs and Alexas and refrigerators and toothbrushes now too,

909
00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:31.119
so don't forget. Go to Rosadvocacy dot org for more resources,

910
00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:36.199
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911
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912
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:41.440
Until next time, Thank you for joining us.

913
00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:45.679
Well that's all the knowledge for this episode. June in

914
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:50.039
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915
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:54.760
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916
00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:58.519
so you have the power to make scam protection your

917
00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:02.280
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918
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:04.880
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