May 26, 2026
Update on states and cities that have banned crypto ATMs
If someone ever sends you to a cryptocurrency ATM, it is almost always a scam. Any legitimate company, financial institution, or government agency will not demand this method of payment. To combat scams related to these machines, numerous towns, cities, and states across our country have enacted bans on cryptocurrency ATMs.
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Good morning, everybody, My name is Brian Watson, community outreach
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specialist for Rose Resources Outreached to safeguard the elderly, and
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back next week. I appreciate the trust Joyce gives me
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in spending some time with all of our viewers and listeners.
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We are here to prevent people from getting scammed in
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the first place, and it's a tough job for all
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of us out there in the world because these scammers
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are really really good. Every week, every month, I hear
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stories of very smart people getting targeted by these very
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talented scammers, and you know, they're horrible people and they're
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coming after us. And our goal is for you to
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recognize the psychological pressure that they put on us, put
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on you, identify that it's a scam, and just be
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willing to hang up that phone, delete that email, and
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go talk to someone else. So today's topic is an
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update on states and cities that have banned cryptocurrency ATMs.
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So before we jump into that, I want to just
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do a review of a cryptocurrency ATMs. What they are.
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You know, yesterday I actually spoke to a friend of
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mine from college and I asked him if he knew
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what a cryptocurrency ATM was and he didn't. And you know,
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this is a smart guy who you know, handles his
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finances and you know he knows what's going on. And
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if my friend and didn't know what a cryptocurrency ATM is,
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you know that means most people don't. So let's just
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do a review. So I told this story last year.
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I want to share it again. I was last fall.
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I was up in northern Arizona. I happened to be
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in a town where I was giving a fraud prevention
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presentation that was actually being held at the local mall
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at a business there. And as I walked into the
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main doors of the mall, right in that open area,
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there was this machine that hot my eye and it
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was black and yellow and the yellow just popped. It
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was really bright colored, and it was this machine. It
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looks like an ATM, but this wasn't an ordinary ATM.
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It's what we call a cryptocurrency ATM. And it's hard
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to mix because you walked right into the mall. And
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I was interested because I work part time for Rose
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and I'm in the fraud prevention business, so I need
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to know about these things. I walked up. I was
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very curious, started looking at this machine, you know, checking
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it out, and this gentleman came up to me and
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asked if I was going to put money into it
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and get scammed. And I said no, no, no, no, no,
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no no. I warned people about scams. I don't get scammed.
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And then he started to tell me that he looks
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out for his local citizens. He works at the mall
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and he just keeps his eye out for people walking
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in and he can tell when someone's under stress and
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panicking and on the phone with someone with a bag
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of cash, and he intervenes. And I was very proud
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of this guy. But that's what cryptoatms are. They are
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a way that scammers steal from us, and they're absolutely horrible.
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And you'll tell I don't hide my feelings about these
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cryptocurrency ATMs. I have no problem with people buying and
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selling cryptocurrency. It's the wave of the future. It's not
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going anywhere soon. But these ATMs are bad for several
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particular reasons, because the scammers love them. Scammers can be
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anywhere in the world, and with the Internet, they can
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find a cryptocurrency ATM that's very close to the person
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that they're scamming. So what are the Some of the
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scams that they might send you to a cryptocurrency ATM.
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The big one is a bank impersonation scam. They'll call
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you up. They'll say we're from your local bank. Your
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money's not safe. You need to put it somewhere where
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it'll be protected. They'll text you a QR code to
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your cell phone. They'll give you the exact location of
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a cryptocurrency ATM. You scam that QR code at this
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crypto ATM and you insert cash, you lose your money.
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It's a horrible scam. Another one is the text report scam.
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They'll call up. There's all kinds of variations, but they
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might say, you know you're due for a refund for
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this particular service, but you have to request the refund.
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You punch in the number on your screen, thinking you're
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getting a refund, but they actually manipulate it so it
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looks like you've got an overpayment. They demand the overpayment again,
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they send you to a cryptocurrency ATM. The other one
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is pig butchering. Joyce and I have talked a lot
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about pig butchering. Horrible term. I don't like it, but
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it gets people's attention. Several of our podcasts have covered
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pig butchering. It's a long play scam. The person on
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the other end develops a relationship with you and at
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a certain point floats the idea of buying or selling
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a cryptocurrency, and they get you to to quote invest
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but you're really not investing. You're just losing. And what
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they do is they facilitate facilitate this pig butchering scheme
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by sending you to a cryptocurrency atm nearby. It could
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be at a grocery store, it could be at a
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liquor store, convenience store, smoke shop, at a mall, like
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I said, at the mall, anywhere, and they will provide
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you a QR code and you start putting that cash
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in thinking you're investing, but you're not. You're just losing.
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And then the last one I want to highlight today
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is the jury duty scam. You know, this thing has
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been around for twenty or thirty years. It's just a
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phone call from a scammer pretending to be a deputy
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from the local sheriff's office sheriff's department saying you didn't
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show up for jury duty, and this one's back. I
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have talked to three people in the last two months
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or so that have received the call for the jury
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duty scam. And when I talked to these new friends
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of mine, they told me they were contacted, convinced they
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didn't show up for jury duty, and they had two
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bad choices, pay a big fine or go to jail. Well,
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of course they say, I'll just pay the fine, and
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then they're directed to a cryptocurrency ATM nearby. So everybody
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out there and radio land, do you catch what's going on.
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If you're being sent to a cryptocurrency ATM, it is
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almost always a scam. There's no legitimate company, no financial institution,
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no government agency that's going to demand this form of payment.
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And we understand it is tough. When you get that
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phone call and they sound professional and your option is
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paying a fine or going to jail. It is stressful.
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So that's why we have to talk about it right now.
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What would you do? You know what I tell people,
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You've got to have an escape plan. And I'm telling
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you right now it's okay to lie, just if you're
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on the phone and you don't like where it's going.
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Hanging up, and if you're not, if you're someone who
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can't hang up, just make up a lie. We call
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it a white lie. Just say I got someone in
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might at the door, I got food in the oven,
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I have I have company, I'm expecting a phone call.
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Just be mentally prepared to give yourself that break and
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talk to someone else, because these scammers will not let
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you do that. They will keep you on the phone
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while they're scamming. So we talked about cryptocurrency ATMs. They
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look like regular ATMs. You put cash into them, you
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think you're paying off a fine or you're investing, but
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you're really just losing your money. So what what has
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been going on? You know, our government sitting back and
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just doing nothing. No, there I'm going to today. I'm
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going to talk about so several cities and states that
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have taken a proactive approach because they want to protect
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their citizens. So first I want to talk about is
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the state of Iowa. The Iowa Attorney General's office kept
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receiving complaints about these cryptocurrency machines, so they initiated a
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one of a kind investigation into cryptocurrency ATMs, and they
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wanted to see, you know, are they as bad as
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they actually are. So this investigation started in October of
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twenty twenty three and the Attorney General's Office issued subpoenas
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to fourteen crypto ATM companies. There's a lot of them
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out there, and the subpoenas are basically a legal demand.
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They wanted information for all the transactions conducted and it
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was over a several year period for Iowa residents. And
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they also the investigators for the Attorney General's Office also
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emailed and called hundreds of Iowa residents who had made
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transactions through these cryptocurrency ATMs, and you know, they gathered
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police reports, consumer complaints, all the self report. They did
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a full on, full blown investigation, which I'm very impressed.
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As a former special agent with the government, I love investigations.
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They take a lot of time and a lot of work,
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but they show what really happens. So what was the
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result of this investigation. Iowa residents lost at least twenty
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million dollars in transactions from just two companies alone, and
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the investigation found that ninety four to ninety eight percent
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of the money that Iowa residents reported sending through ATMs
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were scams. Let me repeat that, ninety four to ninety
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eight percent of the money sent through these crypto ATMs
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was a scam, and no surprise to us here at Rose,
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most of the victims and ATM users were above the
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age of sixty, what we call older adults, and that
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is our passionate Rose. Everyone gets scammed, but as we
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get older, we lose more money, and the numbers don't
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lie about that. So kudos to the state of Iowa.
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They saw a problem and they took action, and they
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showed through financial records that this is a scam. This
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is not anecdotal, this is not my you know, one
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case of someone getting ripped off. We're talking ninety four
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to ninety eight percent scam scam rate. So other cities
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and states have tackled it as well. The Stillwater, Minnesota,
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Saint Paul, Minnesota, and Spokane, Washington are three of the
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municipalities that banned cryptocurrency ATMs. There were also towns in Massachusetts. Now,
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they're kind of brave because these companies out there, you know,
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they make a lot of money on these machines. They're profitable,
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and of course you know, they got sued and I've
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spoken to some people from these these municipalities and they
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told me what they did, and like I said, they
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were very brave because they saw their citizens losing money.
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And then when we want to talk about states, in March,
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the state of Indiana became the first state to ban
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cryptocurrency ATMs and kiosks in their entire state. They passed
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legislation making operating a cryptocurrency ATM in the state a
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deceptive act, which enabled the Attorney General from the State
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of Indiana to pursue legal action against the operators and
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property owners. And get this, Indiana has nine hundred cryptocurrency ATMs.
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You know, I thought we had a lot of them
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in Arizona with six hundred. Indiana's got nine hundred. And
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you know these these cryptocurrency ATMs are located at supermarkets,
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convenience stores, gas stations. So congratulations Indiana, you took the lead,
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and I'm hoping other states will follow. And in fact,
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the second state to ban cryptocurrency ATMs or cryptocurrency kiosks,
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they're kind of a synonymous name. In May, legislation was
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signed by their governor making the installation or operation of
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a crypto ATM a misdemeanor and that is effective July first,
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So we're about a month away from that, so will
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other states follow probably, I'm guessing so. But congratulations to
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those two two states for protecting their people. And then
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here's some very recent news on May eighteenth, So just
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last week, Bitcoin Depot, which is a US based bitcoin
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ATM operation, announced that it initiated a voluntary Chapter eleven
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process in the US Bankruptcy Court in the Southern District
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of Texas. So they basically are filing for bankruptcy and
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basically it's it's their plan is to do an orderly
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wind down of the company's operation and facilitate a sale
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of his assets. So, you know, when states and cities
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and towns start banning these crypto ATMs, the crypto ATM operators,
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it makes their business a lot harder to use. So
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to play Devil's advocate today, you know, what are the
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arguments in favor of these cryptocurrency ATMs, because until recently
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they were legal in all fifty states. And the biggest
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answer that the proponents of these machines give is, you know,
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some people are unbanked, meaning they don't have a bank account.
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They don't you know, they don't have one of the
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big banks or credit union or something like that to
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do that, you know, and there's reasons for that. Some
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people don't operate their bank account properly. They bounce checks,
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they have non sufficient funds, they do things where the
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