Nov. 25, 2025

Job Scams Meet Aging Scams

Job Scams Meet Aging Scams
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Season 1

Join us as we talk with our guest, Jay Jones, on how he uncovers the latest digital job scams and the overlapping tactics with scams targeting the older adults.
Learn best practices for intergenerational collaboration and tech-savvy detection skills to protect yourself and your loved ones.

Let’s Talk About Scams is broadcast live Tuesdays at 8AM PT on K4HD Radio - Hollywood Talk Radio (www.k4hd.com) part of Talk 4 Radio (www.talk4radio.com) on the Talk 4 Media Network (www.talk4media.com). Let’s Talk About Scams TV Show is viewed on Talk 4 TV (www.talk4tv.com).

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safeguard the elderly cannot guarantee that you will not fall

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victim to a scam. Let's talk about scams. It's the

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must listen show for anyone who wants to protect themselves

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and their loved ones from scams. Every Tuesday am Pacific

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time on K four HD Radio, Joyce Petrowski, founder of Rose,

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and her guests will provide valuable insights and practical tips

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on how to recognize and protect yourself from scams. And

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now here is your host, Joyce Petrowski.

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Hi, everyone, welcome back to Let's Talk About Scams Radio show.

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I'm Joyce Petrowski, the founder and board president of Rose

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Resources Outreach to Safeguard the elderly. I'm sure you enjoyed

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Brian the last couple weeks. I know he talked about

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that great new law we have here in Arizona with

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the cryptocurrency ATMs. It's going to be very interesting over

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the next six to twelve months to see how many

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of those are taken down that the owner operators decide, Hey,

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I'm not going to have these in my store. My

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hope is that all of them will go away. But

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today we are going to talk about job scams, meeting

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senior scams. But before we get into that, don't forget

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to go to our website, Roseadvocacy dot org and you

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sign up for our newsletters.

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so you don't miss an episode of Let's Talk About

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Scams Show. So our guest today, Jay Jones, is a

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copywriter and globally recognized cybercrime investigator and fraud prevention specialist,

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best known as the Profiler. After dedicating years to building

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a career in advertising and achieving his dream role at

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an ad agency, Jay's trajectory changed dramatically when he was

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laid off unexpectedly just before the birth of his daughter

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in December of twenty twenty three. Jay is a pioneer

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in platform accountability. Is an internationally known expert on LinkedIn

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fraud and scam detection, with his work and advocacy featured

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in NBC News and Yahoo News.

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His impact is measured by results.

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To date, Jay has personally gotten thirty two thousand, six

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hundred and forty fake jobs and over seven thousand fraudulent

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profiles removed from LinkedIn, protecting thousands of real professionals and

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businesses across the globe.

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So let's welcome Jay.

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Hey Joyce, thank you for the great intro. Thank you

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for having me. I'm glad to be here.

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Thank you for joining.

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I think this is going to be a very interesting

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show with some interesting topics.

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So why don't you just tell us a little bit

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more about what you do?

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Sure? So, my work through the Profiler Protection Service is

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my business where I help real professionals, real companies, and

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real entrepreneurs and solorepreneurs be protected online from job scams

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or impersonate or any type of intellectual theft because it's

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a rampant problem in this day and age. AI makes

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it a lot easier for bad actors to do this,

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And so for me, what I'm doing is intervening and

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stopping this from being as pervasive as it is, so

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more people are educated and protected.

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Right.

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So, I mean, job scams are running rampant, just like

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all kinds of scams, right, And there's a lot of

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there's a lot of overlap between job scams and senior scams.

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There are a lot of seniors that are deciding to

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go back into the workforce for a variety of different reasons.

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And you know they are most likely going to look

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online to try to find jobs.

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Yeah, because given their age, typically they might have some

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physical ailments or other limitations, and they're trying to find

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things that are primarily remote, you know, gone in the

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days where you know, the retirement age is sixty five.

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It just keeps moving further and further out it does.

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And so you know, as they keep living, which we

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want them to do, you know they unfortunately have to

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go back to work and what they typically target or

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remote jobs or things that can keep them home bound

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so they can generate revenue and not compromise they'll have

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their health further. But that's where the scams come in

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with the big jobs. Wow.

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Okay, And in your in the bio that I read,

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how long well, it says you started it was sometime

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either December of twenty twenty three or after that you

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started this.

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Yeah. I was laid off on the summer fourth, twenty

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twenty three, and then I started to look for work.

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Immediately that same day, I turned on the green banner

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on LinkedIn and I got a lot of attention. And

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prior to that, i'd heard rumblings about how bad the

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job market was, but I thought that that was just

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maybe just people just spreading rumors and fear based messaging.

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But then I started to see that all of these

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messages that I got were from recruiters quote unquote, but

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they weren't affiliated with any companies. They were stealing pictures

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of attractive women, yeah, and trying to get your information

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as fast as possible in order to get you into

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these fake job opportunities. So my first case. It happened

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in January of twenty twenty four, because I decided that,

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you know, even though they couldn't get me, I didn't

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want them to get anybody else to take advantage of them.

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And I felt a responsibility to help people because if

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I didn't say something, then there would be this big

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void and they would persist these rampant scams.

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Right, well, that's great that you said something, right, and

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you continue to say something. I mean, seven thousand fraudulent profiles.

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Wow, yeah. Three thousand of those alone were frank resume

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riders for one fake company that I got taken off

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LinkedIn that was called a ten Star Resume Limited and

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they had been on LinkedIn for years prior to me.

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Wow. Wow, So do you.

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Do you have a good working relationship? Then with LinkedIn

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that they're gonna they're gonna want to take a take

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a second look at ones that you bring to their attention.

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I'm guessing or you've had to really fight too and nail.

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Tooth and nail. And then in the cases that I

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lay out, because I make a visual case file to

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show irrefutable proof that these profiles are fake, the content

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that they have on their profile was stolen, and it's

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preceded by a real person who posted this content on

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their profile years ago, if not many years ago. Because

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these bad actors, they don't know how to communicate well.

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They rely on scripting through AI and SA contacts from

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established professionals and using that they can pretend to be

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authentic and trick people who have no idea the person

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they're talking to is a SCAMMERA. So it's been it's

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been a tooth and nail fight.

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Yeah, so you said, you know, like with the grammar.

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That's one of the things that you know, we teach

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in our presentations is AI and we talk about the

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chat GBT and the generative text AI out there and

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about how you know, you used to be able, whether

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it was a text message and email. You know, something

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you got in the mail you saw this bad grammar

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and you were like, okay, this doesn't make sense right,

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And now everything is polished because they're just putting prompts

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into AI and you know, it's it's amazing. I see

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a lot of the older adults just kind of their

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eyes go wide. It's like they can put prompts into

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you know, like write me an email that I want

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to send to the seniors or older adults, whatever term

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they use in the Midwest or in the East, or

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in the western part of the United States, you know

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whatever geographically, And I want to entice them to donate

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to a charity. I want to pull out their heartstrings,

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and AI within seconds will generate an exact email that.

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They can use.

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And so I think AI is while it came out

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for good, you know, obviously technology scammers have access to it.

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Yeah, And that's the unique advantage I have being a copywriter,

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because you know, I write, and I know how the

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structure sentences, paragraphs, phrases and things like that. And so

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when I see certain things, I can tell when it's

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AI generated, because AI typically use a lot a lot

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of gerns, so unintentional add ons to the end of

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a sentence to try to make it more powerful or

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more meaningful. They'll use a lot of M dashes, They'll

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use a lot of emojis, and a lot of vague

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content what I call word salad. So it's a big

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block of text. But when you actually look at it

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from an objective perspective, you see that they aren't really

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saying anything. They're talking about a subject but they're not

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a subject matter expert, which is a clear difference. Yeah,

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they play on the heart strings. Yeah yeah, And then

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you know they play on the heart strings of the

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elderly because you know, they want to know that they're

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talking to someone real, that someone is investing time and

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speaking with them, Because if you're really trying to be

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a quick hitter, then that can fall flat. But if

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you hit them with a large body of text that

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is tailored to their profile or maybe their history, because

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there's so much about us.

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Online, their life, their hobbies. Yeah, but you know their

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interests think yeah.

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Yeah, and it leads them to thinking that this is

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a real person they're talking to, but that that's the trouble.

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Wow, that's crazy.

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So that story about almost half of those fraudulent profiles

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you had taken down came from just one one profile

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had like had made up like thirty different profiles or

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thirty different not thirty three thousand different was it jobs

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or No?

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Ten Star Resume Limited was a quote unquote company that

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offered resume writing services to anybody who was in the

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job market. But the problem was they was, yeah they

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was still information from real resume writers profiles. They would

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fake certificates. They were still pictures of attractive women in

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the realty space or foreign models, Pakistani actresses, you know,

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the whole.

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Through that they made up three thousand different profiles correct, yes,

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and it was one company correct yeah.

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Yeah.

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And you know I and I eventually tracked it down,

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you know, because I was running into the issue of

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finding the head of the snake, so to speak, because

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I knew all the fake profiles, I knew where they were,

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how they were messaging people, and I would go after

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them to inform people about how this scam particularly works.

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But in order to really take it down, you have

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to show the faces behind it. Yeah, And so ultimately

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I had to do research and find some paperwork that

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showed who the owners were of this quote unquote business

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in the guy's name was in the seer jot and

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you know, went on a campaign to make sure that

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his business was taken down. And it was good.

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Good, that's great. So have you have you talked to.

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Any victims of these types of job scams where they

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actually sent money for whatever reason, thinking that they're going

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to get this job that they had to pay, you know, fees,

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they had to pay for equipment, whatever, have you talked

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to any of the victims countless ones.

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Either people see my cases, they know the work that

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I do, and they'll reach out to me and share

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their experiences with me. Two of the most notable cases

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that I had. It was some months back, but it

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was the home equipment fee scam. One woman she was

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taking a job with a sheen, so she thought as

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a customer service representative. She had a job, left that

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job to take this job, but it was a fake one,

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and she got a check for about two thousand dollars.

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And you know how the home desktop scam works or

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home equipment scam. I'm sure your audience knows. But a

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quick rundown is these bad actors will send you a check,

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say you have to use their approved vendor to buy

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this equipment, but the vendor is them, and they logged

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your payment details through this portal or their own website.

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And then they'll go as far as give you an

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official start date. So you're excited, you think job search

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is over. Then when your start day comes, you hear nothing.

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You start to get confused and concerned, and then the

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next call you get is from your bank saying the

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check bounce and the second case was a woman who

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took a job with Epsilon who so she thought, and

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it was another instance of the desktop equipment check scam

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where she was conned out of two thousand dollars.

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So she was conned out of two thousand did they

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send her a check and she deposited and started writing

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checks against it, and then that money was no longer

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there now.

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In both instances, the checks were around twenty or twenty

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five hundred dollars. And how they say this scam works

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is you get the check, you deposit it, you buy

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the equipment, and then the difference will balance out once

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you pay.

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So let's say the correct but then a couple days

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later you find out that that check was not good

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and so now you're out a two thousand dollars because

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you've already went and bought this equipment.

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So that's whatever other charges they make on your car too.

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Yeah yeah, wow. Have you have you heard that.

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There have been any of these people that have had

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their accounts taken over? I'm sure the credit cards were compromised,

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but where their actual accounts, financial accounts were taken over?

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Financial accounts. I've seen that happen before, but more prominently.

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I see hijack profiles on LinkedIn and also Facebook slash meta,

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where people will hack the credentials and then take over

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the profile and then start making messages to the contacts

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pretending to be that person to com them. One instance

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was a woman she's a college student, that she had

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her Facebook account hacked and they were sending messages claiming

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to be selling Taylor Swift tickets, playing on a popular

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artist to get people to listen and stuff. And one

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woman I helped get access back to her meta account

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that was banned. She was hacked and they were trying

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to calm her connections. And she's a business owner. She

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owns a linery and a Oh Wow cal form I believe,

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I forget the state she's in. But she reached out

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to me because she heard about my work, and I

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reached out to some people that met work behind the

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scenes to get her account back so she could continue

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to do business. But those are the kind of things

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that happen, and scammers they know that typically because of

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my work, the fake profiles don't perform as well anymore,

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so they're leaning more into taking over real accounts that

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are dormant and have the verification mark and also pay

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for premium, And so that's the way they're trying to

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advance their.

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Scamming, so that they pay for premium. Like with LinkedIn, Right,

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you can pay for premium, and it tells you because

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I get those notifications, you know, every now and then

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this says, hey, you know twenty people checked out your profile.

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Reactivate your premium and you can see who it was.

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And I haven't done it, but you know, it's pretty

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pricey to reactivate it. But what's the Why would a

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scammer be looking for someone that's got the premium? Is

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it because they have more Their account is able to

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do more things, see more things.

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Correct, You have more, Yeah, you have extended reach. You

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have more messages that you're able to send because with

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a base account, I think you can only send about

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thirty or forty messages per week.

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But with a premium, you can have like two hundred

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or more, right, Yeah, like a tree or something like that.

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And you have more yeah, correct, and you can send

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more connection requests as well. But it also comes with

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the authority that people view when they see premium, because

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if you're paying to have this extended reach, you must

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be a real professional, because who would pay for something

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and use it through fraudulent means? Right, And that's how

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scammeras operate because if you can one person and they

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have marginal credit, what I say, you can get a

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credit card for three hundred dollars or more if you

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steal their identity, so that fee is just a negligible cost.

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Right. It's somebody that has the higher credit scores, then

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you're more apt to get a higher credit limit, even

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you know, with impersonating them.

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And that's interesting because.

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TransUnion just had a breach and you know, there was

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a lot of personal information stolen with that, and I

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would imagine credit scores are part of it, right, yeah.

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Correct, And they target people with certain job titles like

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executive or they'll pretend to have certain job titles like

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VP and whatnot. And speaking of TransUnion, a common scam

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that I've seen over the past year is they'll have

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fake jobs posted on LinkedIn that lead to a Google site,

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and the Google site form will have this fake application,

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but part of the application process is paying twenty nine

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to ninety nine for a background check through TransUnion. Okay,

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but it's a way to get your credit card information

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because a background check only happens after you've gotten offer officially. Well,

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then you have the background check, and you never are

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supposed to.

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Pay for that, right, And that all makes sense. And

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but whether someone is in a dire need for a job,

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right like financially they're they're running out of funds. They

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need to have a job to be able to live

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and get their basic needs. Their emotions then are like,

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oh my god, this is the perfect job, and they

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must really like me. They want me to do a

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background check. Sure, I'll pay thirty you know, twenty nine

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ninety nine. And their emotions take over, and so.

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They say that in the language I'm sorry, no I was.

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Gonna say, And so they're not thinking rationally, right, they

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get them into an emotional state, you know, whatever it

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is another you know, it could be like, this is

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the perfect job, but you need to act now. We've

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got ten people behind you waiting in line, and if

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you don't act in the next twenty four hours.

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So they have a lot of the kind of same.

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Scam techniques that you see in a wide variety of scams.

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Yeah, and they say that on the Google site forms

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that I've seen, they say, in order to be considered

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as a candidate or an applicant, you have to do

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this payment portion of it, and that's a way to

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force the issue with you. But if you take a

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step back, because the way to counter this is to

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slow things down. I tell people to take executive power

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over their job search because just because you're out of work,

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it doesn't mean you've lost your value. You only lost

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your job. And when you put in this position of

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what I call layoff PTSD, because it's traumatic, you're thinking

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about all the people you're responsible for and how you're

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going to provide for them, and you see how bad

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the job market is, then you're like jumping at everything

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that seems real. But if you step back and you

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ask yourself, well, why is this position so fast tracked?

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When I see countless, if not millions of other people

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saying it's taking them twelve months or longer to find

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a job, what is it? Where is this oasis? And

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why they find me? And that's how you can step

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outside of yourself and see that it's it's not real.

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Right, And you know that's the we created a couple

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of years ago it's called an anatomy of a scam

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because we found when we were doing these presentations that

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we would talk about like the top five scams that

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are targeting the seniors. But the minute you leave, right

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there's three new scams out there. You wake up the

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next day and you know they've taken like the pig butchering,

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they've taken some investment scams and some of the techniques

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from the romance scam and put you know, put them

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together and came up with this new scam. So we

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created this Anatomy of a scam, which really breaks scams

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down into three parts. And the first one is they

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have to contact you right wide variety and your your

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cell phones are a big way that they're going to

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contact you. And so, you know, we tell people you

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got to treat those like a mobile computer, because it

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is a computer. If you know it's attached the internet.

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You know, you can message, you can get your emails,

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you can go into encrypted apps like WhatsApp, you can

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do your social media profiles in there. You can message

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through those social media profiles. You know, getting the phone

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calls a whole bunch of you know, different ways to

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contact you. So you have to treat it like a

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mobile computer and lock it down like you would your

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iPad or your laptop or your desktop. And the second

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part is that creating that compelling reason to act. And

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this is where we say, if you can cut it

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off at the contact, then you've you're not moving into

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that second phase, which is the emotional phase, which you

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know with one of the tips, we say, be aware

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of your emotions. And it's like, you know, I get

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it if you're If they got you in that emotional state,

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it's hard for you to then think rationally and go, wait,

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I need to be aware of my emotions, right, which

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is why you always need to have somebody to talk

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to before you act on anything, because sometimes just saying

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the situation out loud, your mind flips over and you're like, Okay,

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that doesn't make sense, right.

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That's what I tell people too, I say read the

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email out loud because it's a psychological thing because when

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you're reading something but it's in your mind, you're already

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accepting the information, but where you're verbally saying it, it's

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external and so you haven't accepted it.

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Right, which is like talking to your trusted person right

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that they can they're going to realize it's a scam

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because you know they're not emotional about it. They're not

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emotionally vested in it like you are. And they're going

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to start asking you questions and you're going to answer

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the questions, and then through that back and forth, psychologically

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your mind flips and you're like, Okay, now I get

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it right.

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Yeah, And then another common tactic regarding the anatomy of

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a scam is the uneu exchange of information. And so

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you look and you get this email because I get

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emails all the time about exciting writing opportunities, but I

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know the verbiage, I know how they present it, so

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I know it's fake even from the title of the email.

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But the common hallmark is you're giving all this information,

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you're divulging so much, and you know next to nothing

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about this person. They'll go as far as use somebody

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else's picture, use detailed signatures, and even link to real

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LinkedIn profiles. But really, what do you know about this

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person other than the fact that they contacted you about

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an email, or they contacted you about prescription, or they

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contacted you about vulnerability that leads to one of your

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accounts being compromised and they can help you get it back.

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It's like, who is this person, where are they actually working, like,

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don't take anything and face valuable right.

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And it's unfortunate, right, especially with the older adult population

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telling them that you can't trust anything anymore. That's heart wrenching.

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I'm in that population. So we grew up trusting people.

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We would meet somebody and we trusted them. In ninety

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nine point nine percent of the time, you were good

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to go because the world was just so much different

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in the seventies and eighties.

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Yeah, the door unlocked a night, Yeah.

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Yeah, you left your right your car unlocked in the

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driveway your house, you know, Oh I forgot to lock

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the door. Oh who It's fine, you know, nobody's going

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to break in. And ninety nine point nine percent of

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the time that was that was accurate. And then telling

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this population that you you can't trust anybody anymore until

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they've earned your trust, you verified what's going on, right,

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and it's just it's it's devastating that they have to

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change their whole way of life.

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This is why I tell people to stay vigilant, because

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there's a difference between the vigilance and paranoia. Paranoia is

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I can't trust anybody, what do I do? And vigilance

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is I shouldn't trust anybody. Here's what I do. And

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so it's providing you actionable information and giving you the

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power that you think you lost, because that's what happens

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is when you get older, you think like you're more

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susceptible to things. People take advantage of the elderly because

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they think they're easier targets. And if you have mental

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issues like to mention whatnot, then that.

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That just compromise you. Yeah, it does. Yeah, you know.

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And so like you said, you know, we don't stop

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it just saying you can't trust anybody anymore. You need

469
00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:38.000
to verify what's going on, and then they can earn

470
00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:41.640
your trust, but you have to verify that they are legitimate.

471
00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:45.039
They are who they say they are, the situation is accurate,

472
00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:48.720
You've verified it through legitimate channels. So I was going

473
00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:54.440
to ask you with this artificial intelligence, is there like

474
00:25:54.759 --> 00:25:58.480
an app or something And I just thought of this

475
00:25:58.599 --> 00:26:02.839
out of the blue that but somebody could like put

476
00:26:02.839 --> 00:26:06.039
a upload a picture to it and it would come

477
00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:08.599
back and say, no, this is the actual picture, or

478
00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:13.960
this has been this has been altered through artificial intelligence,

479
00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:17.599
or the same with like a voice recording, or you know,

480
00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:20.559
throwing an email into it is there. I mean, I

481
00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:24.359
don't even know if that can be done.

482
00:26:24.759 --> 00:26:28.319
Well, there's currently reversed image searching, so that's a way

483
00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:30.400
that I find a lot of these fake profiles that

484
00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:34.000
steal people's pictures because these scameras, they'll go as far

485
00:26:34.039 --> 00:26:37.160
as using face swop technology, which I've revealed in my

486
00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:40.480
different cases. They'll use age filters, so they'll make a

487
00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:43.359
picture older or they'll make it younger to throw off

488
00:26:43.400 --> 00:26:47.039
any reverse image detection. But I find those and typically

489
00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:49.559
what you do is you open the picture in a

490
00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:52.279
new tab, right click it, and then click Google Visual

491
00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:55.519
Search or Google image search, and it'll give you whatever

492
00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:58.960
results or wherever else this picture appeared. So like let's

493
00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:01.279
say the profile on LinkedIn if you're an older person

494
00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:04.799
looking for a job, and the person's name is Jane Thompson.

495
00:27:05.200 --> 00:27:08.519
But then because they use generic American sounding names to

496
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:11.400
try to get trust that way, but if you google

497
00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:16.200
that image and then you see Jane Thompson, Kate Owens

498
00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:17.319
and other names like.

499
00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:20.720
Thirty or forty pictures all the same pictures, correct, you.

500
00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:23.799
Have evidence there of a fake profile that's been used

501
00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:26.160
many times. And then typically it leads you to a

502
00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:28.920
stock photo, because if it's used that many times, it's

503
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:32.400
typically a stock photo or a picture of some professional

504
00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:35.200
from years ago, because they'll go back in time and

505
00:27:35.240 --> 00:27:38.039
take a picture from years ago of somebody so they

506
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:40.359
can avoid the current person finding out.

507
00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:47.680
Okay, does that Google image search? Does it actually tell

508
00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:54.279
you which is the actual legitimate picture that you know?

509
00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:57.599
You might have all of these same pictures, but it

510
00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:01.279
actually this legitimate picture belongs to this person.

511
00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:06.440
It can if it's not heavily used, like I give

512
00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:09.319
it like a seventy five to eighty percent accuracy rate,

513
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:11.640
because there are different other methods that I use to

514
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:15.119
find different pictures, because it's not just that Google imasearch,

515
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:17.119
because there are a lot of times where I know

516
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:19.359
a picture is fake, but Google im research will give

517
00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:21.680
you no results. But I always say, like, if you

518
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:23.759
have to even go through that route, I would just

519
00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:28.680
like just discontinue engaging altogether, because in a job search,

520
00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:31.680
you may miss real opportunities by being vigilant. But it's

521
00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:34.799
better to err on the side of caution and be like, no,

522
00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:36.799
it's okay, I'll just go along with it and then

523
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:38.519
have your savings.

524
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:42.480
Drained well exactly right. That's you don't want to. And

525
00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:46.960
I've actually talked to seniors. This one lady in particular,

526
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:53.079
a few years back, she had received an email, you know,

527
00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:58.759
with the tech support refund scam, and it came they

528
00:28:58.759 --> 00:29:01.599
were impersonating one of the larger companies, and she had

529
00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:08.839
actually had antivirus software with that company legitimately, but she

530
00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:12.200
thought she had canceled it, and so she immediately thought

531
00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:14.519
it was real and called the phone number in the email,

532
00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:18.400
and and you know, they said, well, we you know,

533
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:20.839
we already took the money, so let's put it back

534
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:23.960
in your account. And you know, too many zeros and

535
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:26.519
they're going to get in trouble, they're going to get fired.

536
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:29.039
And so you know, she went and got the money

537
00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:33.359
and and they're I think did it online maybe I'm

538
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:36.279
not sure how it was, and gave it back to them.

539
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:40.400
But then they were able to access her home equity

540
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:41.480
line of credit.

541
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:44.839
And they they they.

542
00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:48.440
Maxed it out and and so she lost even more money.

543
00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:52.160
But yet she's having to pay this back every month

544
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:54.519
on some money she never got.

545
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:59.519
So yeah, it yes, because they're playing on the fear

546
00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:03.480
of losing your information security by saying that you were

547
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:07.160
charged charge that was not authorized, and then they played

548
00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:10.200
they double the legitimacy by using a company you're actually

549
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:13.319
affiliated with or were affiliated with, and from there they

550
00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:14.920
get you on the phone, they say they need to

551
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:18.519
remote into your computer. They will walk you through this

552
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:22.119
mirrored or entirely fake website and then they'll say if

553
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:25.319
you just download this product, and typically it's any desk

554
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:28.920
that they use, and you give them access to remote in,

555
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:31.519
and then they'll use like a screen blocker, but you

556
00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:34.599
can't see it, so they'll have you type in this information,

557
00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:37.720
but you don't know that they actually typed into extra zero.

558
00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:40.200
And because I think you did it, you feel bad.

559
00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:43.359
So that's the negative feeling. And they're like, no, I'm

560
00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:45.279
going to get fired. And you know, you know, they

561
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:47.400
do all that to play on your art strings. And

562
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:50.039
you go to your bank and take out some money,

563
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:52.880
send it through a Western Union or wise.

564
00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:55.799
Some quick way, right, yeah.

565
00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:57.960
And then by the time you realize what happened, it's

566
00:30:58.000 --> 00:30:58.440
too late.

567
00:30:58.599 --> 00:31:01.119
It's too late, right, the money because the wiring the

568
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:07.240
Western Union, it's instant, right, and you know there's no

569
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:09.079
I was going to say, there's some you know in

570
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:13.079
Western unions they have the signs, and their tellers might

571
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:16.279
suspect that they're being scammed and they'll ask questions. And

572
00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:20.559
same thing with banks, right, the banks are getting really

573
00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:25.079
good at teaching their employees on how to recognize scams

574
00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:29.160
and questions to ask. But this lady in particular that

575
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:33.160
I talked to, she said, the bank teller, she knew

576
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:35.720
I was being scammed and asked me questions.

577
00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:37.480
She goes, but I flat out lied.

578
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:43.920
Because the scammer kept her in that emotional state and

579
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:47.279
told her that the teller was going to be asking

580
00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:50.720
these questions suspecting it's a scam. Just tell her this,

581
00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:54.039
and tell the teller this, and and you know, then

582
00:31:54.119 --> 00:31:55.920
you'll be able to just we'll be able to finish

583
00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:56.640
the transaction.

584
00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:00.200
So it's yeah, it's it's crazy.

585
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:02.640
And so our whole thing is to get them to

586
00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:06.400
recognize at the contact right that they need to, like

587
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:11.119
you said, pause and stop and research and investigate and

588
00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:16.480
verify what's going on before they act on anything, because

589
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:19.759
once you flip over into that emotional state, it becomes

590
00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:28.480
so much harder to think rationally and determine it's a scam.

591
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:31.839
Correct, Yeah, it's financial abuse is just like domestic abuse

592
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:35.880
where somebody gets into your life and they slowly isolate you.

593
00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:38.079
And that's what the scammers do. They isolate you from

594
00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:41.160
your real help. And so in that scenario, they're saying like, oh,

595
00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:44.240
the teller is incompetent. They're sowing seeds of distrust and

596
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:47.000
the actual people you should trust. So if they're asking

597
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:49.799
these questions, they painted like, oh, they're just being overly cautious.

598
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:52.440
I'm legitimate. How else would I know you had? You

599
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:54.759
know this anti virus company? How else would I know

600
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:57.319
this if I wasn't legitimate? And so they put you

601
00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:02.480
mentally on their side, and it's disgusting.

602
00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:05.160
Yeah, it is. It's that that's a good word for it.

603
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:11.160
It's it's disgusting. So you mentioned the Google image search

604
00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:14.480
and stuff like that. Is there are there any other

605
00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:20.759
like tech savvy detection skills that you I don't know

606
00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:23.920
that you I know you said you were on NBC

607
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:28.240
News and Yahoo News and uh so any other like

608
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:32.200
tech savvy detection skills that you have that you use

609
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:36.720
to help people, or maybe that you talk about when

610
00:33:36.759 --> 00:33:38.599
you get the information out about what you do.

611
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:46.119
Sure, anytime I discover someone who has been impersonated or

612
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:49.039
someone who has had their likeness or image taken. I'll

613
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:51.279
reach out to that person and say, hey, this profile

614
00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:54.240
is impersonating you. Here's a link to it, here screenshots

615
00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:57.079
of it. If I see emails that are being used

616
00:33:57.079 --> 00:33:59.440
but they aren't affiliated with the real person at all,

617
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:02.680
else sudden to them. I've gotten emails taken down through

618
00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:05.559
takedown requests. I've gotten a couple of websites taken down

619
00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:09.840
through takedown requests. There was a Kleinily scam involving artists

620
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:12.159
and talent for some time. It's still ongoing, but I'm

621
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:15.000
still working on that one where scammer pretends to be

622
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:22.400
a real artist and talent celebrity, but they're celebrity. Oh okay, No,

623
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:25.719
artists and talent is a recruitment firm. Oh, basically they're

624
00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:28.199
pretending to Yeah, they're pretending to be a recruiter that

625
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:31.920
works for that firm and emailing people about job opportunities

626
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:35.239
and major companies to make it sound attractive, but really

627
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:38.760
they're impersonating her entirely to scam people out of their information.

628
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:41.400
So I'll share that with the people. I'll let them

629
00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:44.599
know how to report different things. Where to find a

630
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:47.360
link to the fake profile and then I'll also file

631
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:48.280
a case with LinkedIn.

632
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:55.960
Okay, So I know there's a lot of fake profiles

633
00:34:56.039 --> 00:35:02.679
on Facebook and Meta. We've actually reported, you know, when

634
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:05.039
we see them and we know they're fake, we report them,

635
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:09.239
but we inevitably get the found nothing back.

636
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:10.400
We found nothing.

637
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:13.119
Wrong, it doesn't violate our community standards, and so we're

638
00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:16.599
not going to take it down. And it's like it seems,

639
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:21.079
but I think it's their technology that's automatically going through

640
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:23.760
and looking at the profile and they haven't broken any

641
00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:27.719
community standards because the technology that they're using only goes

642
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:30.760
so far. So a good example is in at the

643
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:35.400
end of August, we had our company, Rose's Facebook page

644
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:38.400
went down and my personal page went down, and I'm like,

645
00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:42.239
what's going on. I haven't done anything on my personal page.

646
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:45.519
The majority of what I do is share posts from Rose.

647
00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:50.920
But because we're in the scam prevention business, you know,

648
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:54.199
Rose puts out you know, probably four to five times

649
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:57.159
a week, you know, we post and it's information about

650
00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:00.480
you know, helpful tips or about new data breach and

651
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:04.239
hacks or new scam alerts and stuff like that, and

652
00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:09.079
so the technology is picking up on specific words that

653
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:13.920
they see, and then they're automatically assuming that we're violating

654
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:17.840
community standards because they see these words in there.

655
00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:20.800
Yeah, yeah, it's insane.

656
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:21.559
Yeah.

657
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:23.800
And then it's like when you appeal it, it goes

658
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:28.400
to an actual person and then I get the response back, well,

659
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:31.639
our technology made a mistake, And it's like, do you

660
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:35.239
think maybe you should before you take someone's profile down,

661
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:38.079
you should have a real person look at what the

662
00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:41.840
technology came up with and actually look at the profile.

663
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:44.920
Well, this is the problem with the AI and all

664
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:48.199
the layoffs, is like you're wholly handing over the business

665
00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:51.559
to AI, but yet you openly admit that it's making

666
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:55.119
all of these obvious mistakes that it supposedly should correct

667
00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:57.400
because if you trust them in enough to let go

668
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:00.719
of real humans, then why is it punishing real humans?

669
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:03.719
And I said this in relation to LinkedIn, I'd say

670
00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:08.000
the reporting process it focuses on content but not intent.

671
00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:10.880
And so what I mean is like a knife can

672
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:12.599
cut a cake or it can cut a person, it's

673
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:16.760
about the intent. And so these reporting metrics of this AI,

674
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:19.679
what it does is it looks at the content of

675
00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:23.639
in this example, a job description. Now, if you look

676
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:26.760
at job description as it's written. Of course, there's no violation.

677
00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:30.440
They're not using any foul language, they're not insulting, doing

678
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:34.159
anything like that. But the intent of this job description

679
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:36.079
is to lead you to, like I said before, that

680
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:39.559
payment portal which stills credit card information, the job was

681
00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:43.159
posted by a fake profile, which is identity theft right there.

682
00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:46.400
The business doesn't exist, or it was a website that

683
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:49.199
was quickly thrown together, so the business is not real.

684
00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:52.440
All of those intentional actions are meant to harm you.

685
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:54.920
But if you're just looking at content, of course you're

686
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:55.920
not going to find something wrong.

687
00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:58.920
Well the end, that's the thing is like AI is

688
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:03.280
and I'm not I don't know a lot about AI,

689
00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:08.480
and I'm not a app developer, and you know, in

690
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:12.880
the technology end of it. But it seems to me

691
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:17.519
that AI is only as good as what people are prompting.

692
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:17.599
In the room.

693
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:21.719
Yeah, and and and what what people are putting into it.

694
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:27.360
So where you can think in certain instances that AI

695
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:32.800
can detect the outcome, the true outcome without human intervention.

696
00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:37.320
I think somebody has missed the mark on that because

697
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:41.800
you're you're you're missing you're you're missing the human component

698
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:44.559
to it, like you said, with a knife, right, it

699
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:46.559
can cut a person, and it can cut the cake.

700
00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:50.679
And if you're looking at the content, nothing's wrong. But

701
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:55.239
if it's cutting a person, obviously that's wrong, right, correctly,

702
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:57.800
and so and.

703
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:00.920
It's a shame because you know, you talk about their

704
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:04.280
technology and having the ability to change it, but they

705
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:06.800
have sixteen billion reasons not to. I mean, we saw

706
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:09.840
the report that just came out about the scam ads

707
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:13.639
and they made sixteen billion from that. So you know,

708
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:15.599
you have to look at where the money is going.

709
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:18.639
And so if the money is going here, and where

710
00:39:18.639 --> 00:39:21.400
it's going is to the denigration and the hurt of

711
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:24.159
real people, well then you have a balancing You have

712
00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:26.360
a decision to make at that point. It's either, like

713
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:28.559
I say, all money is in good money, So are

714
00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:30.760
you going to take this money and allow the people

715
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:32.880
to fall by the wayside, or are you going to

716
00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:35.360
forego that and protect the people.

717
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:38.519
Yeah, And you know it's interesting because when I was

718
00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:43.079
trying to work through it took me probably a month

719
00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:45.960
or six weeks to get my personal account back up.

720
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:50.679
Exactly, and as money lost, reputation damage like well.

721
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:53.159
Right, and you know I was very honest with our

722
00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:55.960
supporters and stuff. I'd put it in the newsletters and say,

723
00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:58.880
you know, the Facebook got taken down. I don't know why.

724
00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:00.800
We're trying to figure it out. We're trying to get

725
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:04.960
it back up. We haven't done anything wrong. And it

726
00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:08.159
was they took three of the pictures down because they

727
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:11.239
said it violated their cybersecurity community standards. And when I

728
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:14.000
appealed it, they, of course, like I said, came back

729
00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:18.320
and said, well, we've determined our technology made a mistake, right,

730
00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:22.639
and then yeah, and it's like and then as soon

731
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:25.039
as it came back up, like a week later, it

732
00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:28.199
was like they're taking a few more pictures down. It's like,

733
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:31.320
how do I get in touch with somebody over there

734
00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:35.360
and say to them people, this is what we do.

735
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:38.360
And if you had somebody look up what we do.

736
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:42.719
Look at our website. It's a valid website. We own it, right,

737
00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:46.440
it's we own this you know Facebook and LinkedIn account,

738
00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:51.800
and it's legitimate, right, it's scam prevention. So yes, we're

739
00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:53.760
going to have the word scams, We're going to have

740
00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:56.199
the word breach hacked, We're going to have all that

741
00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:59.719
stuff in our post. But I can't get a hold

742
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:03.760
of any anybody over there and you know, get them

743
00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:07.360
to you know, I don't know, somehow flag our account

744
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:09.559
to say, listen, if your technology is going to take

745
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:13.079
this account down, you need to have a human intervene

746
00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:13.960
and look at it.

747
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:18.159
Like like I said earlier, it's insane. And the reason

748
00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:22.639
I said evidence is because the AI or the automated

749
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:26.360
detection systems as it's referred to as, anytime a report

750
00:41:26.440 --> 00:41:28.719
is made, they're going to err on this could be real,

751
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:32.039
let's take it down. But then when you appeal it, oh,

752
00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:35.039
it could be it's real now, so we'll put it back.

753
00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:37.400
So that means there's no review happening, because if a

754
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.000
real human looked at it, there would be no way

755
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:43.119
that this would just be automatically taken down. Then the

756
00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:46.599
bad side about that reporting thing is when you get

757
00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:48.719
reported now, all of a sudden, you're on the radar

758
00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:53.880
for wrong reasons, and then other things come down by

759
00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:57.639
just because you were flagged. And it's a shame because

760
00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:00.119
it hurts real people, but the scammers can continue to

761
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:03.840
operate unchecked. And it's not much different on LinkedIn, Like

762
00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:06.199
there are certain words that get flagged, like if you

763
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:09.840
call a scammer a scammer. The bubble will come up

764
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:11.639
that says, when you try to post the comment, are

765
00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:13.559
you sure you want to post this comment because it's

766
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:17.119
been flagged previously by members of the community. If you

767
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:20.039
say the word idiot, if you if you use a

768
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:24.480
phrase pig butchering like that gets flagged because it's thought

769
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:27.440
to be like harmful. But at the same time, people

770
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:31.599
can openly put the phrase LinkedIn accounts for sale, LinkedIn

771
00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:34.440
account leasing by LinkedIn accounts.

772
00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:34.840
And it's fine.

773
00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:36.800
And the list goes on and on, and these are

774
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:39.280
clear violations. You're not supposed to sell your account, you're

775
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:42.679
not supposed to lease it, And that stuff just goes

776
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:43.360
on unchecked.

777
00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:46.800
Well, because each one of those words by themselves are

778
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:51.079
not harmful, but a few of the other words by

779
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:53.800
themselves can be looked at as harmful, but they're not

780
00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:58.920
looking at the whole context of it, right, you know.

781
00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:01.280
And it's interesting you say, you know, err on the

782
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:05.000
side of caution, take the take the profile down until

783
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:07.159
you can review it, and then if it's valid, put

784
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:11.800
it back up on the You would think the same

785
00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:15.079
thing would work for the ads side of it, right,

786
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:18.320
even though they're paying money and buying ads. If it look,

787
00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:21.960
if the technology finds this stuff, take it down and

788
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:24.519
err on the side of caution, review it, and then

789
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:28.519
bring it back up. But like you said, there, it's

790
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:32.000
where you said, sixteen million or billion dollars just came

791
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:33.679
out and they're making me yeah.

792
00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:38.360
Yeah, yeah, so it's hard to err on the side

793
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:39.760
of caution when the money is so.

794
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:43.400
Good, right, And I often say the two things that

795
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:46.519
get people into trouble or are money and power.

796
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:50.880
They aren't bad, but it's when you all.

797
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:56.280
Know they're not bad, but they make some people think

798
00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:59.960
it's okay to do things they normally wouldn't do because

799
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:01.039
of power.

800
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:02.159
And then the money.

801
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:04.599
Right, I have this power, I'm not going to get

802
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:06.800
in trouble and I'm going to make all this money.

803
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:10.599
So yeah, yeah, I'm not saying I'm not saying the

804
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:13.079
social media profiles are doing that.

805
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:14.880
I'm just saying in general.

806
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:19.719
Yeah, for the people that misuse power, I misused money,

807
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.320
it's because before they had both, they were already that

808
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:24.199
kind of person and so now that they have the

809
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:25.440
ability to act.

810
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:26.639
And it's just enhances it.

811
00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:30.400
Yeah, it makes them be who they were already.

812
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:35.199
Yeah, they're moral compass points south. What I like to say,

813
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:40.320
but so we've only got about five minutes left, and

814
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:44.119
I well, actually you and I only have excuse me,

815
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:48.119
a couple of minutes left. But what are some things

816
00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:52.519
that people can do if they're out there looking for

817
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:57.760
a job and they're you know, looking, whether it's somebody

818
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:01.000
posting on Facebook or LinkedIn or whatever, what are some

819
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:04.920
initial things that people can do to sort of verify

820
00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:06.320
what's going on.

821
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:10.880
Always check with people that you know, like loved ones,

822
00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:13.800
if you're an elderly person looking for work, or just

823
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:17.159
in general you get a message, reach out to your nieces, nephews,

824
00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:20.559
younger people, or people within your orbit and ask questions

825
00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:22.960
like hey, what do you think of this? Because the

826
00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:26.400
process needs to be slowed down. The minute you're going rapidly,

827
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:29.119
that's when you're in trouble. So always ask people the

828
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:31.480
external and outside of you, what's going on? What do

829
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:34.119
you think of this? And usually if they're like in

830
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:35.880
the know, they'll be like, hey, I think you should

831
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:38.840
avoid that second, you know, reach out to me. I

832
00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:41.039
have a website, it's theprofiler dot org. I have a

833
00:45:41.079 --> 00:45:44.239
ton of information there in my cases and different resources

834
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:49.480
to help you stay safe and take take more control

835
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:52.079
and more power over your job search if that's what

836
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:54.599
you're doing as an older professional, and more control over

837
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:57.639
your information. You know, visit you know different websites that

838
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:01.000
are repeople that post about scam content like yours and others.

839
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:06.800
Because it's just the time of mass bombardment, mass scamming.

840
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:10.199
I call it the age of chaos. And in that time,

841
00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:13.119
what you have to do is first, slow down, reach

842
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:14.880
out to the people that you're trusted and reach out

843
00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:16.159
to me, reach out to Joyce.

844
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:18.920
Those those are our first those are our first two tips.

845
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:22.719
Yeah, yeah, first to reach out to Joys and myself.

846
00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:26.599
Reach out to people in your network, ask questions and

847
00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:29.719
step outside of you. But the biggest and I say

848
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:33.400
the biggest takeaway is admit that you don't know everything,

849
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:35.360
because you know, when you're an older person, you know

850
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:37.360
like you have wisdom and things like that, but there's

851
00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:41.519
still blind spots. So admit that you might be in

852
00:46:41.559 --> 00:46:44.119
the road or down the road of being taken advantage

853
00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:46.280
of and if you were scammed, and share your story

854
00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:49.280
because it's no knock against you for being scammed. There's

855
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:51.760
this stigma that happens when people are scammed that you're

856
00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:55.199
thought to be, you know, not smart, but anybody can

857
00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:59.440
scam it anytime. Yeah, and so share your stories. The

858
00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:02.159
more people know, the more people know how to avoid things,

859
00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:06.960
and that will help bolster this community.

860
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:11.559
And one of the things is what do you think

861
00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:14.760
if they so like, say they found a job on LinkedIn,

862
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:17.760
whoever it is. It could be a twenty year old,

863
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:19.639
it could be an eighty year old. They found a

864
00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:23.400
job on LinkedIn, And if they typed into their internet

865
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:27.679
browser whatever the job is, and said what scam or

866
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:34.559
fraud after it, there's probably a good chance something would

867
00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:37.800
come up where someone else has found it to be

868
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:40.920
a fraud or scam and they've reported it. And I mean,

869
00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:43.000
what are your thoughts on that? Do you do you

870
00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:47.800
think that's another viable resource for someone to do, just

871
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:50.239
to kind of see what information's out there.

872
00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:54.280
Correct. Yeah, there are different sites like Reddit and glassdoor.

873
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:57.559
If you just type in the company name and then scam,

874
00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:00.440
typically what you'll find are a bunch of first hand

875
00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:03.440
accounts from other people who have had experiences with this

876
00:48:03.519 --> 00:48:06.280
company or also show you whether or not there are

877
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:09.519
different name iterations of this business quote unquote, because what

878
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:13.039
cameras typically do is they change the business thing multiple times,

879
00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:16.440
but keep running the same scam because it works. So yeah,

880
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:18.679
it'll definitely give you a leg up and more information.

881
00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:22.119
Okay, yeah, because they'll change the name just a little bit.

882
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:27.920
Yeah, they always has solutions or private limited or global

883
00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:32.760
enterprise solutions. Like it's grandiose titles, but there's nothing behind it.

884
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:36.519
They'll keep the If there's a like a one or

885
00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:39.559
two words in the name of a company that people

886
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:44.039
that's popular with people to know the company, they'll keep those,

887
00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:48.679
but they'll change the other words to so people will

888
00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:50.760
see those two and go okay, yeah, that must be

889
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:55.840
that company, correct, Yeah, yeah, okay, Well awesome, Thank you

890
00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:58.639
Jase so much for all this information. I think it helps,

891
00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:03.679
like I said, not only the newly the new people

892
00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:06.559
you know, uh eighteen twenty twenty two years old getting

893
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:09.000
into the workforce, but it's going to help everybody all

894
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:11.920
the way up and through into the retirement ages that

895
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:16.760
are looking for work as well. So really appreciate your

896
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:21.360
uh your information. Your website is profiler dot org. Is

897
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:27.719
that correct? Oh, you froze a little bit.

898
00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:31.360
I think it's profiler dot.

899
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:32.159
Filer dot org.

900
00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:36.360
It's what filer dot org. Okay, profiler dot org. Okay,

901
00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:40.039
very good, profiler dot org. Oh, the profiler dot org. Sorry,

902
00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:44.360
the profiler dot org. All right, I need to wrap

903
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:47.639
it up here or one's going to be uh messaging

904
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:51.480
me in the chat. So thanks again, Jay. Love to

905
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:54.079
have you back sometime in the future for another chat.

906
00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:57.360
But thank you for your information.

907
00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:00.000
All right, I love to be back and thank you.

908
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:00.519
Thank for having me.

909
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:04.519
Yep, you're welcome. All right, everyone, that's it. We're out

910
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:07.840
of time. Don't forget to go to the website Roseadvocacy dot.

911
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:09.000
Org and.

912
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:16.199
Sign up for our newsletters and subscribe to the our

913
00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:20.119
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914
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915
00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:24.000
Thank you until next week.

916
00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:28.480
Well that's all the knowledge for this episode. Tune in

917
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:32.760
every Tuesday at eight am Pacific time on KFOURHG Radio

918
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:37.599
at KFOURHD dot com as Joyce explores a variety of knowledge.

919
00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:41.239
So you have the power to make scam protection your

920
00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:45.039
healthy habit, and until then, feel free to reach out

921
00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:47.639
to Joyce and let's talk about scams.