Feb. 11, 2025
Anatomy of a Scam
In this episode, Joyce will breakdown scams into three different parts using the Anatomy of a Scam Infographic.
There are so many scams out there and scammers are constantly changing their tactics and techniques which makes it very difficult to keep...
In this episode, Joyce will breakdown scams into three different parts using the Anatomy of a Scam Infographic.
There are so many scams out there and scammers are constantly changing their tactics and techniques which makes it very difficult to keep up with them. R.O.S.E. created the Anatomy of a Scam to better understand scams in general.
Tune in an be better prepared to recognize a scam.
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Disclaimer: The information contained in this podcast is intended for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for individual professional / legal advice. The podcast information was carefully compiled from vetted sources and references; however, R.O.S.E. Resources / Outreach to Safeguard the Elderly cannot guarantee that you will not fall victim to a scam.
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elderly cannot guarantee that you will not fall victim to
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a scam. Let's talk about scams. It's the must listen
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show for anyone who wants to protect themselves and their
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loved ones from scams. Every Tuesday am Pacific time on
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kfour HD Radio, Joyce Petrowski, founder of Rose, and her guests.
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We'll provide valuable insights and practical tips on how to
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recognize and protect yourself from scams. And now here is
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your host, Joyce Petrowski.
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Welcome back, everybody, for this episode of Let's Talk About Scams.
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I'm Joyce Petrowski, founder and president of Rose Resources Outreach
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to Safeguard the Elderly. You can find more information on
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our website and more resources at Rosadvocacy dot org. You
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can also sign up for our newsletters. We send one
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via email. We also do one that we send in
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the mail. You can find those links right on the
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homepage along with the links for our social media LinkedIn Facebook, Instagram,
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and the YouTube page. So today I want to talk
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to you about an anatomy of a scam. So when
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we do these presentations to the seniors, when we first started,
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you know, we would sit there and go through probably
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about I don't know, five to eight different scams that
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have a tendency to be the the top scams in
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the senior the older adult population, and it never failed. Right,
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we go through the presentation, We talk about these scams,
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talk about you know, some specifics about each one, like
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in a romance scam, an investment scam, you know, email compromise,
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pig butchering, tech support, a lot of different ones. Will
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we leave the presentation and then lo and behold, we
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find out there's five.
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New scams out there.
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So about a year and a half ago, we created
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what's called an Anatomy of a scam. It's an infographic
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where we really said, we need to just explain scams
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in general. So if people can understand just the basics
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of a scam in general, then they're going to be
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better app to be able to recognize a scam, no
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matter what kind it is. So I want to pull
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that Anatomy of scam up on the screen so you
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guys can see it. So there's three different parts there.
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The first part is initiating contact and there's a variety
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of different ways. Goes over to the second part, which
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is creating a compelling reason to act. This is where
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the emotions come in. And then it gets into the
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third part, which is requesting payment. Now, sometimes, yes, you know,
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scammers are out there looking for personal identifiable information, but
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they're doing that because they want to be able to
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take your identity and get money. So the bottom line
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is is they're always out looking for money. And then
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in the middle there's an urgency and with the majority
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of the scams, it's urgent from the minute they initiate
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contact and you engage all the way till you get
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done sending them the money. But there are a few
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that it's the request for money doesn't come so quickly.
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So we can take that.
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Down now and I'm going to go through the three
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different parts in it. So the first part we talked
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about was initiating. The scammers have to initiate contacts somehow,
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and this right here is the biggest reason, or not
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the reason, the biggest way that scammers are going to
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initiate contact. Just about everybody has a cell phone and
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the majority of them are connected to their online right.
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You get your emails on there, You can get on
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social media, you download apps, you know, whether you play
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games or you have movie apps that you watch movies
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or stream shows. Social media apps are on there. You know, messaging,
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you know where you can not just call somebody, but
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you can send them a text message, you can take pictures,
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all kinds of different things that you can do on
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these phones. Well, that phone provides a lot of ways
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that a scammer can contact you. They can email you,
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they can message you. And it's not just the text
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message that automatically comes, you know, with your phone. There's
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a lot of these other messaging apps. The one I
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think that's probably the most popular is WhatsApp. I don't
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really use any of them, so I don't know a
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lot of the other ones. But they're more of what
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they call a private chatting. But they can also you know,
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send you a message if you're if you're posting things
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on social media, they'll start commenting on your post and
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then it never fails.
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They they always are.
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Having a problem friending you, so they want you to
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friend them, which is really just a ploy so they
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can actually look more legitimate to the social media platform
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that you're the one that's friending them. They're not out
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trying to friend all these other people, but they will though.
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I can't tell you how many times I get messages
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on posts that I make and I just look at
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them and I go, yep, that's a scammer, and I
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just hold my finger down on it as long as
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there's no links in there, but just hold your finger
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down on it and it comes up and you can
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delete it.
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You can report it as well.
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I think it'll say report and then you can delete
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after that. But it's just good to always delete them.
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Same with text messages, right, you get an and this
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is contact unexpected contact that comes. You're not expecting a
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text message from your friend. You know, you're not expecting
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a text message to come through from Amazon, or from
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the post Office, or from Social Security or the one
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that's been going around lately is toll fees, saying that
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you were on a toll road and you owe some
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money for toll fees. You know, there's a lot of
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different ways they do it. And they can call you
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and they can make that, but you know, the caller
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ID they can They've been able to spoof that for
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a long time. They can make it look like the
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police department's calling you. They can make it look like
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Social Security is calling you some federal office. They can
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make it look like your friend is calling you when
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it's not actually your friend. They're just they've somehow been
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able to get into your contacts and see your friend's names,
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and they're able to use those as the caller ID.
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And so, I mean, it's happened to me. You know,
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it's like, oh my gosh, I haven't talked to Stephanie
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in a long time, and so here lo and behold,
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she calls, So I answer the phone and it's not her, right,
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It's so it's very it's very hard these days to
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determine just when that contact comes in, if it's real
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or if it's fake. So we talked about email, we
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talked about text messages, phone calls. Social media is a
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big one. Lots of people are on socialcial media. There's
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all different kinds of social media platforms. Scammers are in those.
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You know, they're creating fake profiles and a lot of times,
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you know, at least the fake ones that I've come across,
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when they're preparing to be when they're pretending to be
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a man they have, they're impersonating someone that's been in
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the service that just seems to kind of be their
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mo you know. And if they're impersonating some woman, they're
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going to find, you know, a really beautiful woman that
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would just make somebody want to be friends with them
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and not think twice, you know, to click that friend
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request button or to accept a friend request. So social media,
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you know, they hide out there. They also if you
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play the online games. So like, for instance, I play
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an online game, it's not it's an app that I
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have and I play some games on it, but I'm
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not playing in real time against people where I can
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sit and have a conversation with people as I'm playing
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against them. That's online, and scammers will hide out in
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there and they'll strike up relationships in there. If you're
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on a dating site, you know, they set up profiles
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on dating sites that they can find you online. Is
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really is apt to have a scammer involved in there
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someplace and they are still using the mail I received
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from one of our supporters yesterday, I received an email
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that says, hey, have you seen this scam? And I
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open it up and it's about it pretends to be
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coming from Walmart, and it was something that was sent
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in the mail to her and it had Walmart on
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there with the logo, and it was about being one
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of the mystery shoppers. And it actually had a check
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attached to it made out in her name and her address,
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and it was for over four thousand dollars. Well, basically
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what they were saying is they're in there is you know,
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you need to text these two numbers to activate everything,
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and then you get to keep seven hundred dollars as
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your commission for being a mystery shopper. And then if
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you do these things within I think it said twenty
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four hours or forty eight hours it was a really
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short timeframe that you get an extra fifty dollars and
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then the rest of it. They wanted you to go
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out and buy six different gift cards five hundred dollars each,
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and then they wanted you to then they were going
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to send you this survey to answer these questions and
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you know, send the information, you know, with the gift
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cards over to them. And it's just a big scam.
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And so what I I mean, it looked like a scam.
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If you look down at the bottom of the letter,
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which will be on our social media today, so you'll
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see a copy of that letter if you want to
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look at it. You look at the email address that's
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down at the bottom of it. And I don't remember
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the what's to the left of the ad sign, but
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it was a Gmail account, you know. It was something
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like Walmart's Secret Mystery Shopper at gmail dot com. Now
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we all know Walmart doesn't use Gmail, right, so that's
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a big red flag there. Yes, there was some grammar stuff,
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you know, bad grammar going on in there, which I
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was really quite shocked because with artificial intelligence these days,
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the chat GBT, you can actually get that program to
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write a really nice letter for you and then use
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that the scammer could use that. So I was a
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little shocked that there was some bad grammar in there,
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but you know, it can still happen, so they are
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still using the mail, so you just got to be
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careful with that contact. And it's that unexpected contact, right,
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And that's the majority of the time. Now, there are
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also times when say, for instance, a scammer was able
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to hack into your friend's email account and so now
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they're sending emails out as your friend, So it's coming
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from your friend or family member whatever their email address.
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So you look at that and you're like, no, that's
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their email address, that's them, but it's really the scammer
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because they've hacked into it and taken it over, and
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your friend or family member might not know quite yet
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that it's happen. So that's where you got to kind
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of look at the message, right, and you got to go,
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does this really make sense? Is this how they're usually conversing?
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They've never asked me for money before. What's going on?
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You know, it's always good to call that friend or
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family member, you have their verified phone number and just
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check it out. Hey, were you emailing me about this.
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I had this happen with someone I needed to do
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a background check on yesterday who does some of our presentations,
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and the background check company sent her an email saying,
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you know, we need you to fill this information out
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and it was going to have personal sensitive information because
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it's running a background check, and she wasn't going to
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just do it. So she calls me and says, hey,
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was this you that sent this through the background check company?
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And I'm like, yep, absolutely, that was me. I just
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put it through. So she verified that that was a
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valid email that I did that, even though you know, earlier,
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earlier that morning, I had sent an email to her saying, hey,
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I'm going to be doing this right, she still called
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out until she knew for sure it was legitimate.
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The scammer might you know, take over someone's email address
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or you know, take over the phone number. Somehow it
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could come across with that phone number. So you still
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need to be really careful in those instances and just
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always have not in a bad way to always but
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what we talk about is the healthy skepticism. Having that
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