April 28, 2026
Watch out for gold bar scams
Gold bar scams are an increasingly widespread form of fraud, costing victims millions. In these schemes, scammers—often pretending to be government officials or tech support—claim that a person’s bank account is at risk. They then pressure the victim to liquidate their savings into physical gold bars, which are later picked up by fake couriers. No legitimate government agency will ever instruct someone to do this.
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elderly cannot guarantee that you will not fall victim to
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a scam. Let's talk about scams. It's the must listen
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show for anyone who wants to protect themselves and their
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loved ones from scams. Every Tuesday am Pacific time on
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K four HD Radio, Joyce Petrowski, founder of Rose, and
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her guests will provide valuable insights and practical tips on
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how to recognize and protect yourself from scams. And now
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here is your host, Joyce Petrowski.
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Good morning, everybody, my name is Brian Watson, community outreach
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specialist for Rose Resources Outreach to safeguard the elderly. And
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I am obviously not Joyce, but I do have I've
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had the privilege of filling in for Joyce for the
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last three weeks. She will be back next week. So
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thank you Joyce for entrusting me to provide valuable information
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to our viewers. So today's subject is watch out for
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gold Bar Scams. And it's a scam that has been
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going around the country and sometimes it's hard to believe.
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It sometimes seems a little preposterous, but that's that's the
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way all scams are. You know, if when you're able
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to step back, it seems kind of unbelievable, unbelievable, but
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if you're in the moment, I totally understand how these
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scammers are able to fool people and trick them. They
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are professionals and we are not. We're just people trying
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to live our lives and these scammers are coming after us.
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So what is the Goldbar scam? This is sort of
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how it works. Like most scams, there's all kinds of variations,
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but let me give you one. You get a call
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from someone claiming to be from the government, typically the FBI,
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but it could be another agency. It could be from
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a bank, could be from their fraud team, and they
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are calling with a sense of urgency. They say that
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your money's at risk and you need to withdraw immediately,
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convert it into gold bars and turn it over for
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safe keeping, almost like an escrow or you know, put
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your money, you know, have these goal bars, will hold
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on to them until everything is settled out. So before
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we get into the nuts and bolts of the gold
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bar scam, I like to talk about the anatomy of
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a scam infographic that we have at rows. It is
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a really good way just to see how most scams,
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not all of them, follow the same basic pattern. So,
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first of all, scammers have to start the process of
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a scam, so they initiate contact, and it's typically unexpected.
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It's out of the blue. It could be by a
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phone call, it could be email, text message, social media,
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so wide variety of ways that they're going to initiate contact.
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But always you're not you're really never waiting for it.
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It's you're unexpected, you're not some you know, most of
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the time, you're not prepared. Then the scammers want to
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create a compelling reason to act. They want you to
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put you in a fragile or frazzled emotional state. They
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want you to make a bad decision. They want you
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to feel pressure, they want your heart rate to go up.
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They're going to take you to a not a good place.
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The most common area they try to do is take
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advantage of your fear. In this case with this will
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bar scam, your money's at risk. They want to override
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your rational thinking process. They want you to make a poor,
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hurried decision. And then lastly, scammers want money. They're going
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to ask for some sort of payment. They always request payment.
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They don't do this for free, they don't do it
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for fun. They do it to make money. So what
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are they asked for? Cryptocurrency, gift cards, peer to peer
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payments like Venmozelle or PayPal. Sometimes even wire transfers not
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super common, but in this case it's gold and that's
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why the scam at times is hard to believe. So
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again we're going to get to the gold bar scam.
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And then the fourth component that most scams have, not
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all of them, is urgency and on our anatomy of
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a scam infographic right in the middle is a red
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urgency circle. You know, for example, the jury scam. They
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you'll get a call from someone claiming to be from
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the sheriff's department. They say you failed to show up
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for jury duty. There's a warrant out for arrest. You're
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scared you're going to go to jail. They ask for money,
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and the urgency factor there is they keep you on
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the phone until you make until you turn that payment over.
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They never let you think about it overnight or get
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back to them or ask someone else. That's why urgency. Now,
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some scams don't have that urgency component. The one that
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comes to mind right away from is romance scams. Another
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topic for another day. But the romance scam is a
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long play scam. Doesn't fit neatly into our anatomy of
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a scam, but it just shows all scams are different.
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So all right, let's get back to the goldbar scams.
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It's also called the phantom hacker scam. You can look
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it up on any search engine. Because the scammers create
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a fake, invisible, phantom cyber attack to trick victims into
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thinking their assets are in danger. That's one of the ways,
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like I said, all these scams how slight variation where
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the scammers try a different angle. Now, these scams are
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getting increasingly widespread, costing victims millions of dollars nationwides. And
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like I said, these scammers often pretend to be government
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officials or tech support from one of these high tech companies,
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and the common denominator is your bank account is at risk.
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And then what they do is they, as part of
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their scheme, they pressure victims to liquidate their savings into
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physical gold bars, and then these gold bars are picked
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up by couriers, these fake couriers, but they're real. They
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show up at your house, but most of the time
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they're not even they don't even know what's going on.
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The scammers intentionally keep them out of the loop. All
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the couriers do is they get a text message to
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go move something. They don't even know necessarily who they're
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dealing with. So if they get caught, they don't have
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information they can you know, these scammers can cut them off.
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And these scammers actually instruct victims to use a secret
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courier code to identify the courier when they're picking up
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the gold and that gives it an air of legitimacy
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and kind of makes it seem all official. You know,
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what they actually do I've heard is they'll just take
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the serial number off a dollar bill, you know, just
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to come up with a string of letters and numbers.
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So why gold, That's the question with this gold bar scam.
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You know, gold is expensive and heavy, and you think
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it's bulk key. But here's why. And the more you
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think about it actually makes a lot of sense. Gold
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is very valuable. It's actually easy to transport and pretty
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much untraceable. You know, asking for gold allows scammers to steal,
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steal someone's life savings, and it doesn't leave a paper
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trail like a wire transfer or a check, and it
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doesn't leave a digital trail like cryptocurrency does, because even
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if you buy bitcoin or another cryptocurrency, there is a
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paper a digital trail that law enforcement can follow. So
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I was recently interviewed by a TV reporter in Phoenix
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to get my insight on one of these gold bar scams.
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And let me just tell you what had happened recently
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in Phoenix. The FBI arrested a suspected scammer at Sky
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Harper Airport in Phoenix, and he was trying to board
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a flight back to Florida. According to the documents, this
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man was involved in an elaborate phantom hacker scam that
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targeted a seventy eight year old Phoenix woman out of
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one hundreds of thousands of dollars. The woman was close
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close to handing over another six hundred thousand dollars when
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she contacted law enforcement. The scammer in her case convinced
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the woman that he was calling from the US Attorney's
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office and his scam. He said she was the victim
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of identity theft connected to an ongoing federal investigation into
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child pornography. You know that scary stuff. And he said, ma'am,
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the federal government is going to protect your money while
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this whole investigation goes down. So you kind of see
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how these scams work. This lady's at home, she gets
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a phone call. Authority is the US Attorney's office. The
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compelling reason to act is your money's been connected to
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some child pornography investigation, which we don't even use that
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term anymore. It's we really use the c SAM techno terminology.
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In her case, she trusts this person. She doesn't she
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wants to follow the rules. She doesn't want to be
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involved in any sort of illegal activities. She you know,
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she complied. So the victim's first transaction with the scammers
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was a twenty four thousand dollars wire and she was
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told to withdraw the money from her bank account and
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purchase the gold for safekeeping. She did. She actually purchased
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almost or one hundred thousand dollars of gold, and she
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handed it over to the courier that came to her house.
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But of course scammers don't stop there with the almost
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four hundred thousand dollars. They're never done. They will take
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every penny you have. I always tell people the scammers
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of today are ruthless financial predators. They're not happy with
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a small amount of money, or a media amount or
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a large amount. They want every single penny you have.
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So they told her to cash out her retirement plan.
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So think about that. She's got a roth ira or
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a pension, or a TSP or a four to one K,
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six hundred thousand dollars that she's worked her entire life
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to earn and put away, and they wanted her to
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convert that into gold. She agreed initially, but then something happened.
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We don't know, something made her suspicious and she reported
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to the FBI. So I applaud her for that. It
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takes a lot of courage and I'm so happy that
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this something happened. I don't know all the details, but
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something happened, and she knew it was suspicious. She called
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the FBI absolute right thing to do. So FBI agents
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were at her home when the courier showed up to
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pick up the next six hundred thousand dollars, and we
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found out that this career he was only going to
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be paid five thousand dollars to pick up the next
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box of gold. So the courier is just like a gopher.
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He's just upon in the scheme that the scammers are using.
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And according to the court documents, this career began communicating
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with his handler about a month before and they were
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discussing him doing jobs in Florida, Illinois, and in this
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case Arizona. So the FBI Good News was able to
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arrest this career because people ask me that all the
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time when we do our presentations, are you ever successful?
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Do you ever get the bad guys? And the question
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is sometimes sometimes the government, federal law enforcement, local law enforcement,
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just has to get lucky. But in this case, the
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lady that had lost some money already did the absolute
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right thing and she contacted the FBI. She obviously contacted
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them through a legit number, found them, tracked them down,
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and they showed up. So bravo to the FBI. And
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so the thing about this gold bar scam, as scary
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as it sounds, the one good thing about it is
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the gold actually needs to be picked up. You know,
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with cryptocurrency scams, the pig butchering anytimes scammers convinced people
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to put money into a cryptocurrency ATM. A lot of
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these scammers are overseas. They never have to set foot
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in the United States or even use a career. But
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with the gold bar scam, you need a person to
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physically pick up that box of gold. And that's what
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I told the reporter in this TV story. The encouraging
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thing about this gold bar scam is people have to
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be in the United States and it actually gives law
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enforcement a chance. So in this case, the FBI was
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lying in wait, they were at the house, the person
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showed up and they were able to intervene. And you
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know what, you know, the reason why these particular scams
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work is scammers prey on the honesty and trust and
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authority that all of us have. You know what it's
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you try to do the right thing. You're raised well,
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you know, my parents raised me to respect authority, respect
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law enforcement, respect my school teachers. And unfortunately that can
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come back and bite us. That's why we have to
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have a health level of skepticism. And so enough horror
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stories about that victim in Phoenix area. How to protect yourself,
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loved ones and yourself, your friends and your loved ones.
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to protect yourself. Number one, no legitimate, no government agency
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or bank is going to ask for money via or
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ask for payments for a gold bar scam. That it
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just does not happen. There is no There are no
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government agencies local, federal, there are no banks, no anything
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like that. They're never going to ask for gold bars.
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That is a complete scam. That's a huge red flag.
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If you get a call from someone claiming to be
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the FBI or another government, a government agency, or a
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